The Fox News Facebook page got over 8,000 death threats posted on its wall after the Communications Director for the American Atheists, Blair Scott, appeared on the network’s “America Live” discussing the group’s lawsuit hoping to stop the erection of a crucifix at the World Trade Center Memorial.
The admins of Fox’s Facebook page worked furiously to delete the hateful posts, but not before the atheist blogger behind One Man’s Blog managed to capture screenshots, some of which we’ve reproduced below.
The atheists’ lawsuit filed last month contends that the 9/11 display of the cross is unconstitutional for “mingling of church and state.”
The group is adamant about the fact that no other religions or philosophies will be honored if the city moves forward with its plans to erect the religious symbol.
Organizers of the 9/11 museum, feel that the cross, which is a symbol of hope for many, should have a place at the memorial. And then, there are those other folks who passionately disagree with Scott’s group and who are behaving in a manner that is contrary to their religion fundamentals.
Christians are up in arms about Blair’s television appearance and have waged an all-out war against his possibly blocking the memorial’s plans. Reportedly, by the time Blair returned to his office, his voicemail was full to capacity with threat messages from Christians who were seething with hatred.
Some legal experts have referred to the recent religious conflict “absurd” because parts of the lawsuit names four atheists who suffered dyspepsia, symptoms of depression, headaches, anxiety, and mental pain and anguish from the knowledge, that they are made to feel officially excluded from the ranks of citizens, who were directly injured by the 9/11 attack.
“They want their day in court, I don’t think it’s going to be a long day,” Jay Sekoulow, chief counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice chief counsel, who plans on filing a brief in opposition to the atheist group’s lawsuit, told the New York Times.
Readers, what are your thoughts on the erection of the cross at the 9/11 memorial site?
Just wondering; how many other religious symbols were found at Ground Zero? Let's put them all up for display, so as not to play favorites.
Regardless, speaking as an evangelical Christian, the sentiments expressed towards atheists in these sample posts are simply immoral.
Comment by Doug Payton — August 8, 2011 @ 2:56 pm
REALLY. People that area so caught up in loving thy neighbor and acceptance of all people really think its ok to shoot and kill somebody because what they believe in??? I'm catholic. Since my birth. I do NOT think these people have a fucking brain cell left in their mind. Leave the athiests alone. If they don't agree with you, they don't agree. work it out like adults instead of like new age german Nazi's that just kill people for being different.
Comment by Bree Jensen — August 8, 2011 @ 3:39 pm
I'm sorry, wasn't it Jesus Christ who taught that we should love those who hate us? Did He not say – on the cross – " Father, forgive them. They don't know what they are doing."? God doesn't get angry at atheists, He loves them. Jesus died for them. Please, Christians, stop this hateful tirade. If you want to defeat an atheist, pray, and when the opportunity arises, bear witness to the love of God and the miracles Christ has brought forth in your life.
Comment by Phil — August 8, 2011 @ 3:51 pm
So, is Facebook canceling the accounts of all of these people who made death threats? They all are clearly in violation of Facebook's terms of service.
Comment by Priest — August 8, 2011 @ 3:58 pm
I love how all of these god fearing Christians want to kill anyone who thinks differently. I was raised catholic and the last f'in thing on earth my children will ever endure is the complete ignorance and ingrained lunacy of religious zealots. If there is a god, you think he's looking down on you and smiling because you posted death threats on a Facebook page. You complete imbeciles.
And for the record, if you actually believe some guy with long hair and a beard was actually nailed to a cross for your' sins', there is little hope for you.
That's as factual as Santa and the easter bunny.
And I went to Catholic pre-school, grade school AND catholic highschool where our teachers and principals were 90% nuns. Sad what people will accept as fact.
Comment by Melo — August 8, 2011 @ 4:09 pm
The sentiment behind every single one of those comments is a mortal sin. While the commenters may think themselves Christian, it is themselves they have deluded. Thier hearts are blackened and they have no idea that it's happened. Sadly, the eternal damnation they speak of shall be their own.
Comment by Hoping for better — August 8, 2011 @ 4:14 pm
Using the screenshots on his blog and on this one violates Facebook TOS, does it not? http://www.facebook.com/brandpermissions/screensh...
Comment by Charity Hisle — August 8, 2011 @ 4:18 pm
People are free to abuse each other religions on Facebook and facebook admin does nothing or they only take action when its about their own religion or country.
Comment by Aaqil Mahmood — August 8, 2011 @ 4:49 pm
I admire Blair Scott's courage to appear on the most conservative media outlet in America to talk about a very sensitive and controversial topic. I think it's important that he voiced these facts because I completely agree with him. (and now the death threats begin….)
Comment by Jane Smith — August 8, 2011 @ 4:52 pm
Erecting a cross at the 9/11 memorial site just confirms my long held belief that America only cared about the whole thing is as much that it resembles a Holy War. Apparently, the only real Americans killed at 9/11 were Christian too. Sad really.
Comment by thisisforhatemail — August 8, 2011 @ 4:54 pm
Anyone who send DEATH threats CANNOT say they are Christians doing it for the sake of Christianity any more than Moslems who are terrorist can say they do their vile acts for the sake of Allah and Islam. These religions, along with Judaism, and others, are about Love, forgiving, judging not that we ourselves not be judged, etc. We do NOT need more Hate mongers and divisions between us. We need to find our common humanity and work from THAT!
Comment by Guest — August 8, 2011 @ 4:59 pm
Let's put up a gun, hangmans noose and an electric chair statue too! I think all forms of capital punishment need to be represented at ground zero, right? Not just a cross. SMH.
Comment by CHUNK — August 8, 2011 @ 5:00 pm
I can't understand why they should erect a crucifix there? The 9/11 attack was an attack against America, and the west, not an attack against Christianity. The victims of the attack were not just Christians, but people of different faiths. I feel that if a cross is erected, isn't that kind of offensive to the victims of 9/11 who weren't Christians?
Comment by Joel Wiklund — August 8, 2011 @ 5:09 pm
This isn't free speech. This is hate speech and threats. There is no reason ANY of this should be tolerated on anyone's website or FB page. It's ridiculous an disgusting. There are a lot of things I don't agree with in life, but I have never, ever wished death or hurt on anyone because of it. These people should be ashamed of themselves. It makes me wonder if they can't control their temper towards peopel they don't know, how do they treat their own family and friends?
Comment by @OohLaLayla — August 8, 2011 @ 5:23 pm
Wow… well this proves that christians are a blood thirsty religion.. hahaha
Comment by Manuel — August 8, 2011 @ 5:49 pm
Well, you can't say that Christianity isn't a religion full of hypocrites, liars, and would-be murderers. And every one of these hate-fdriven posters is probably much more in need of God's grace and forgiveness (not to mention an accurate understanding of His Word) than the atheists they threatened.
(Disclaimer: I am a practicing, believing Christian of the Episcopalian variety who is in church twice a week year-round. I also spent 10 years leading county jail Bible studies once a week. I do not claim to be perfect, either, but I don't see any justification for killing people in my reading of the Gospels.)
Comment by Jon Spangler — August 8, 2011 @ 6:17 pm
I'm surprised AllFacebook didn't blur out the user names and pictures.
Comment by Kevin Mack — August 8, 2011 @ 6:33 pm
I'd guess that most of the people running Facebook are actually atheist, but they are for free speech, unlike many religious people.
Comment by Phil — August 8, 2011 @ 6:34 pm
"Christians seething with hatred"? Hardly love thy neighbour, is it? As you may be able to tell from my spelling of neighbour, I come from Britain, where we don't have such a disgusting thing as Fox 'News'. Also, our head of state is also a head of a religion, and we have better separation of Church and State than America. Read your own constitution, dumbarses.
Comment by Samuel Sammyboy Fasey — August 8, 2011 @ 6:36 pm
Thou shall not kill, what is wrong with you people?
Comment by David Shaggy Selk — August 8, 2011 @ 6:36 pm
I think the page administrators did the right thing taking them down. These people only fed the monster!
Comment by Kim Perretta — August 8, 2011 @ 6:43 pm
I don't agree with anyone receiving death threats…….
As for erecting a cross on the 9/11 memorial site I do not see why not.
What is wrong with using a cross???
It is in honor of those who lost their lives, people need to learn to have some respect for others
Comment by Judy Gillespie — August 8, 2011 @ 7:04 pm
I find it totally amazing that Christians would place death threats on a Facebook page. I am pretty sure that is not Christ Like behavior. I think some people need to study the teaching of Jesus Christ and remember that this type of behavior would not have been approved of.
Comment by AriesGDIM — August 8, 2011 @ 7:20 pm
is it not agents gods law to threaten others? its been awhile seance ive been in a house of god but really people come on grow up fox for once is right and has a valid point
Comment by Leslie Catles Bruder — August 8, 2011 @ 7:23 pm
Wow… If this is Christianity, I'm glad I'm not one.
Comment by KSmooth — August 8, 2011 @ 7:28 pm
Wow! Why doesn't this surprise me? If I were a Christian, I would be ashamed of these people representing my faith.
Comment by DEspo — August 8, 2011 @ 7:30 pm
Aaqil, it was the admins that Fox uses to manage their Facebook page, not the system admins of Facebook that were doing the deleting.
Comment by Todd Gardiner — August 8, 2011 @ 7:38 pm
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians." – Gandhi
Comment by Ray — August 8, 2011 @ 7:52 pm
WWJD? Properbly not kill them on Facebook….
Comment by Magnus Kjøller — August 8, 2011 @ 7:54 pm
This is pretty common when someone dares to question a religion. Oddly enough, you don't see the "horrible, godless atheists" posting these types of comments. Who really understands tolerance?
Comment by nicole — August 8, 2011 @ 7:57 pm
a tree is know by the fruit it bears, if these comments are a representation of Christians what does that tell you about the tree they spring forth from? These so called believers are idolators using the cross as some symbol to justify their anger & hate. Real pathetic.
Comment by djchangbang — August 8, 2011 @ 8:07 pm
It's okay to kill a group of atheists but not okay to kill people in a skyscraper with an airplane? Idiots…
Comment by Matt — August 8, 2011 @ 8:14 pm
fuck christians.
Comment by Fraser — August 8, 2011 @ 8:41 pm
this is bullshit, captured screenshots my ass
some fags just made that up =.=
Comment by ALLEN — August 8, 2011 @ 9:09 pm
It is another scare tactic. DO NOT BE AFRAID.
Comment by Ad Network Magazine — August 8, 2011 @ 9:10 pm
Typical. These people aren't Christians, just wear the robes. They are the worst scum in the world.
Comment by Don — August 8, 2011 @ 9:11 pm
The biggest hypocrites around are "christian".
Comment by ProudThinker — August 8, 2011 @ 9:13 pm
Just lay the thing on its side. It is no longer a cross but a piece of rubble from the twin towers.
Comment by Laurel Sayler — August 8, 2011 @ 9:13 pm
I am a devout Christian-Catholic, and all these threats are nothing but an embarrassment and a disgrace to our Faith. Shame on you people!!
Comment by nguest — August 8, 2011 @ 9:13 pm
I've found most so called Christians are the biggest hypocrites on two feet.
Comment by Valady — August 8, 2011 @ 9:15 pm
I don't understand the problem. If a cross is the only religious symbol to be displayed then it is obviously not correct to put it there. It excludes all the other religions that have died or suffered because of that day. A crucifix is not the only symbol of hope for people, especially not people in NY. Being an atheist myself I would not want to see a cross there, unless there were religious symbols from every religion. It is an equal opportunity country after all and everyone deserves representation.
Comment by Meghan Equality Hagerty — August 8, 2011 @ 9:38 pm
I believe that is the problem with many, but certainly not all, of today's Christians. Too many people have forgotten what Jesus Christ stood for, and we can all get behind Christ's teachings, even those of us who don't believe he is the son of God.
Comment by Meghan Equality Hagerty — August 8, 2011 @ 9:41 pm
This is why it is important to stop the branding of America as a "Christian" nation. Connecting religion and government breeds abuse and contempt from the religion in power and why the founding father's fought to keep them separate.
Comment by Russell Akred — August 8, 2011 @ 9:44 pm
There is no way that a cross should go up at the 9/11 memorial. No way. This is something that gets everyone's passion up! But this must not be a place where any religion is represented. Whoever prescribes killing anyone is automatically the loser in any argument. But for people who stand for religion to be the ones prescribing killing is hysterical! Are they that dumb?
Comment by DMW — August 8, 2011 @ 9:45 pm
"I like your Christ, I do not like your? Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Mahatma Gandhi "
Comment by Charles Lowery — August 8, 2011 @ 9:59 pm
id just like to say it wasnt the atheists calling for people to get killed
Comment by Peter Druart — August 8, 2011 @ 10:01 pm
Clearly they've asked themselves "What would Jesus do?" And then done exactly the opposite.
Comment by Big Daddy — August 8, 2011 @ 10:14 pm
Christian or not, I am ashamed of these people even representing my species.
Comment by dotmatrix — August 8, 2011 @ 10:20 pm
I don't give a shit if both group kill each other…makes good entertainment..lol
Comment by Julian touceda — August 8, 2011 @ 10:24 pm
Sorry, but other people don't get to throw someone out of their religion because they've done something they disagree with. If these people claim to be Christian, then they're Christian.
Comment by Erin — August 8, 2011 @ 10:36 pm
I think this might be a kind of dumb cause to take up when there's so much for atheists to be getting done. There's so much injustice done toward them, real people really having their right to religion infringed on. Just off the top of my head, perhaps they could work on the seven states that don't allow them to hold office, even though it's not enforced, it's held over their heads and could be enforced at any time. That's my view anyway, that there's more important things at stake than this. Personally, I couldn't care less about this, when I'm STILL hearing about kids who are being forced to pray in school, or indoctrinated with religion under the guise of science or history.
But WTF??? Death threats???? 8000 of them? I know many viewers of Fox are unstable, but this is insanity! Fox needs to sit it's viewers down and give them a talking to, and re-evaluate how they present their information. 8000 people just don't start doing this unless conditioned toward violence in the first place.
Comment by Lofn Michelle Gilbreath — August 8, 2011 @ 10:56 pm
Onward Christain Terrorists, marching to mame and kill
Comment by Eric Keeton — August 8, 2011 @ 11:07 pm
I'm not sure why they feel the need to put up a cross, and why a memorial non-specific to any religion wouldn't suffice.
And the people posting those comments? Yeah. Those are like most of the people where I live (right in the middle of the Bible belt). It's why I try not to post too many statuses regarding my personal beliefs (I'm agnostic myself), or, "God" forbid, something like evolution.
I'd like to point out though that I've never, ever said that a group of people should be shot/killed/burn in hell for their beliefs, and none of the atheists/agnostics/non-Christians that I've known have said anything of that kind (that I've ever heard of, anyway), either. Hypocrisy runs rampant, especially in religion, because so many religious leaders are using psychological tricks to make people think that it's their group against the rest of the world.
Comment by Regina Ferris — August 8, 2011 @ 11:39 pm
Who cares? I'm agnostic/ atheist and I don't really care if religious symbols are displayed but these "Christians" are disgusting. Isn't one of their "Commandments" to not kill ?! Christian = Hypocrite
Comment by john — August 8, 2011 @ 11:41 pm
people like this make me stay far away from anything religious.
not everyone at the 9/11 site was christian, the building should stand without religion or politics, to insure it is a proper memorial for everyone and not just bat shit crazy christians.
Comment by andie — August 9, 2011 @ 12:10 am
obvious troll is obvious.
Comment by Meghan Equality Hagerty — August 9, 2011 @ 12:25 am
What makes you think that atheists hate Christians? Religion-induced hatred is not a part of our 'belief system'. We don't hate you, we just think you are misguided in your outdated belief in the supernatural. Strip away the religious trappings and our philosophies on life are in many ways the same. Do good, be a good person. Be a friend to those in need, help whenever and however we can. Be honest, be ethical (do the right thing, even when no one is watching).
We are not evil, we have just managed to evolve to a more enlightened state than you. We do good because it is the right thing to do, not because we fear angering some mythological being.
Comment by Dave — August 9, 2011 @ 12:35 am
Ignorant savages! lol!… I find a measure of solace in the fact that there are and have been thinking people out there, and that their numbers grow. In the end history trudges along, time and again proving that the results of religion, to …Reason, are embarrassing at best, and genocidal at worst. These 8.000 serve as a reminder that it is glaringly more difficult to find examples of killing and genocide in the name of NO god than in the name of one, IMHO…:) They should just watch this, and their heads will explode…lol! http://www.youtube.com/wat?ch?v=MeSSwKffj9o, as it addresses this frightnening madness exceedingly well!…:)
Comment by BassPlayerNYC — August 9, 2011 @ 12:47 am
I agree.. not all of them are Catholics
Comment by Averagejoe — August 9, 2011 @ 1:21 am
I am a devout Christian Catholic. These people making death threats are an embarrassment to my religion and obviously do not share the same beliefs. They are not real Christians. For everyone out there, please do not judge the Christian religion upon what you see above. These people can claim Christianity as their religion all they want, but they clearly are not Christians due to the fact that they obviously do not follow the same beliefs nor understand the religion whatsoever.
I believe that if a cross is erected, then it is only fair that every religion be honored just the same. This would mean also including a Star of David for the Jewish victims, and a symbol of every other one of the victims religions. I am a Christian, but I was taught the importance of loving thy neighbor and treating every different race and religion with equality AS CHRIST WOULD DO. That being said, if my religion is honored at ground zero, every other religion should also be honored.
Comment by Pat — August 9, 2011 @ 4:27 am
I dont know man all religious people make me a bit uneasy, specially those who are overtly so. I think there is something schizophrenic about having the feeling of being watched constantly by something or someone that you cannot see yourself, and that whole notion that its all around you and on every living thing, its just very unnerving. I like Catholics though,specially the school girls' uniforms, hahaha, and you can always repent right?
Comment by Pedro — August 9, 2011 @ 10:37 am
I grew up Catholic as well, but the door opened for me just into high school. I am a very loving, caring person…husband, DAD (anyone can be a father), scout leader, bandmate, friend…but I choose to not fill my head "spiritual pipe dreams". Leave the Atheists alone…they are only expressing THEIR BELIEFS (or lack thereof). I was raised saying the Pledge of Allegiance in school each and every day, and just because I don't believe, does that mean I wish to take "God" out of the pledge?!? It's just another word, folks. At the rate that this country is going, I hope that I live long enough to die of natural causes instead of another civil war because all I see are rich getting richer and not wanting to give an edge or a helping hand (Christians?!?) Why can't we all just get along?
Comment by Noatheistnobeliever — August 9, 2011 @ 10:41 am
Just want to step in to say THANK YOU to all the Christians expressing indignation at the threats. I'm a NYer who witnessed 9/11 & still have nightmares about the jumpers, and no matter what my feelings about religion, I'm full of love for you all.
Comment by Risa — August 9, 2011 @ 11:17 am
There were no religious symbols found at ground zero. Beams intersect in the construction of a building. "Magical Thinking" lets you see a Christian Cross.
Comment by Scott — August 9, 2011 @ 11:19 am
If these people have no problem showing their true, disgusting colors in a public forum with their real names and faces attached, they do not need to have their privacy protected. If every member of the Fox News fanbase on Facebook could see their comments, then they are aware that they have publicly stated their views and apparently didn't have a problem with it.
I personally would like to see all those whose posts implied that they themselves would commit acts of violence contacted by local and possibly federal law enforcement and interrogated as potential hate-crime offenders at best and domestic terrorists at worst.
Comment by loveandletlive — August 9, 2011 @ 11:19 am
People should read this article by my colleague Amy Levin at TheRevealer.org : Crossings: Religion and the Politics of Memorials (http://therevealer.org/archives/9118)
Comment by @AshBaxNYC — August 9, 2011 @ 11:53 am
Ya, cause that's the important part of this article.
Comment by Adam — August 9, 2011 @ 12:20 pm
(Sigh)…Just goes to show that there are lots of sick, twisted people out there. And not just online, unfortunately. Look at what's happening in London. Only a matter of time before that stuff happens elsewhere. What a sad day for humanity.
Comment by Bigeetah — August 9, 2011 @ 12:30 pm
Uhh… the terms of service are irrelevant to a blogpost. Terms are only relevant to facebook letting you use facebook.
Comment by matt — August 9, 2011 @ 12:31 pm
Lol @ the internet being owned by someone. Theres nothing ILLEGAL about screenshots. It violates facebooks policy but facebook is not the government. I can put a stop sign in front of my house, that doesnt mean people that drive passed it are going to get a ticket.
if u post screenshots on facebook, then theyl probably remove your account but thats the only authority they have
Comment by Adam Strech — August 9, 2011 @ 12:35 pm
Lets just put an Iron Jewish Star and Crescent moon and star
, since athiests dont believe in anything, the blank space between the cross, the star of david and the crescent moon and star will be to commemorate their people
or better yet, just shut up and stop saying things that dont effect you, violate your rights
Comment by Adam Strech — August 9, 2011 @ 12:38 pm
Blair Scott has already turned over all these names and screenshots to the FBI to be investigated for hate crime and as a potential terrorist threat.
Comment by Guest — August 9, 2011 @ 12:46 pm
This is logical fallacy known as No True Scotsman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
Comment by Mike — August 9, 2011 @ 1:03 pm
There are two problems with your position.
The first problem is that the people who saw the rubble as a cross are the same kind of people likely to see the virgin Mary in a piece of toast. The architecture of a skyscraper has crossed beams.
The second, and more important problem, is that putting that cross up seems to say that ONLY Christians were victims of the twin towers attacks. This is the main thrust of the lawsuit.
Comment by Chris — August 9, 2011 @ 1:16 pm
Christians are idiots. They're defending something they can't prove exists, I understand the debate over whether a cross should have a place at Ground Zero, but whose to say non-Christians don't have a right to protest it?
If there was a God, he would smite Christianity for making him look bad.
Comment by Nicholas — August 9, 2011 @ 1:19 pm
Or, you know, don't, because it's disrespectful and arrogant. How about instead, you believe in whatever magic leprechauns you like, and don't tell us about it, because we don't care, and we're sick of hearing about how much you like leprechauns. We get it. You think leprechauns are awesome. Fine. Can we get on with our lives now?
Comment by Rob — August 9, 2011 @ 1:25 pm
How many times am I going to have to post this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
Comment by Rob — August 9, 2011 @ 1:28 pm
Because apparently the cross is now a symbol of hate.
Comment by musicmissionary — August 9, 2011 @ 1:29 pm
The problem with using a cross is that the cross is clearly a Christian religious symbol. The victims of 9/11 were by no means all Christian – people of many different religions were killed that day. Putting a cross there alienates the families of the non-Christians that died.
Comment by evelyn — August 9, 2011 @ 1:31 pm
Assuming you're not a troll, I'll explain this for you. It is illegal for the government of the United States of America to endorse any religion. If the government were to place a monument to a particular religion at the site, they would be in violation of the constitution. American Atheists is just pointing that out, and bringing forward a lawsuit to make sure that the government follows the law. Christians, however, seem to think that they deserve special privileges, and that the law does not apply to them, whether it's the law that keeps religion and government separate, or the law that prohibits murder.
Comment by Rob — August 9, 2011 @ 1:33 pm
Mosque near ground zero….everyone is up in arms
Cross on ground zero…..why the fuck not
Something is wrong here. It should be neutral grounds where people can focus on the actions that took place, not some new aged anger because of a decision made for which religion should be allowed to put a monument there.
1) Leave religion out of it.
2) Leave atheists alone.
3) Death threats are no appropriate at any point in time. Even more so, when the topic pertains to a time where a big group of people of all different ideals had their lives taken away from them prematurely.
Comment by Peaceable — August 9, 2011 @ 1:38 pm
What's wrong with it is that many people don't agree with your religion, and so displaying the symbol of your religion at the site of a tragedy (an implicit government sponsorship of your religion) is offensive to some and annoying to many.
Comment by Nathan McKinley — August 9, 2011 @ 1:38 pm
That's the point. Using a symbol of a religious nature to represent all of the jews, muslims, and others that died on September 11th is offensive. It's in only honor of the Christians that died. This kind of exclusive respect for one religion above others is the exact mindset in the terrorists' minds. And the vitriol we see in these comments shows that we can't tolerate religious exclusivism, or american christians may become the Christian mirror image of the terrorists.
Comment by Jacob Jacobson — August 9, 2011 @ 1:44 pm
It never ceases to amaze me how humans can so quickly turn their backs on another human for their religious beliefs or lack thereof. Ridiculous and barbaric.
Comment by Lisa — August 9, 2011 @ 1:51 pm
Not like crossed beams are incredibly common in building structure or anything.
The Christian cross is incredibly simple compared to other religious symbols. It's much easier to look around and find two crossed lines than it is to find stars, lotuses, or crescents. And please don't tell me you'd approve of the display of a beam bent in the shape of a Rubh el Hizb or the Arabic word "Allah" if they found one at the site, because we all know that is bullshit.
Comment by Mikhail — August 9, 2011 @ 1:57 pm
If you believe in Jesus Christ as the messiah, you are a Christian. If you believe in Jesus Christ as the messiah and commit murder, you are a still a Christian.
Comment by Jessie — August 9, 2011 @ 2:03 pm
So basically … Atheists in the thread are calling for deaths just as much as the so-called Christians. The article isn't even an admonishment against Christianity or Atheism either way, but it's certainly been used to ridicule Christians, while the Atheists get a pass at their own behavior.
If anyone bothered to actually READ the comments — especially the ones listed above — it's pretty even. But as usual, nobody even bothered to READ THE ARTICLE, either… everyone just went link-crazy, promoting an ideology one way or another, when both sides are just as damnable.
Seriously … I have no dog in the fight. I could care less. But Devout Atheism only proves that Christians aren't the only Zealots in the world.
Comment by Mark Steel — August 9, 2011 @ 2:08 pm
Why don't we put up a nice statue of a firefighter or something? Something neutral that represents the HUMAN courage and feeling on 9/11. Would that be so disagreeable to fundies?
Comment by Lucy-Celeste Alavi — August 9, 2011 @ 2:09 pm
This world needs positive Religeous People… Not like Atheists Are running around say kill them all.. They barely run around saying god doesn't exist.. only when the subject arises.
Comment by Kevin — August 9, 2011 @ 2:09 pm
I'm a pretty "devout" atheist and personally would not enjoy seeing a crucifix at the 9/11 memorial, because that's not the point. If your church chooses to memorialize the victims of 9/11 then that's a wonderful thing, but it should be a point made to include EVERYONE at a place as significant on a national scale as Ground Zero.
That being said, there are religious people who foam at the mouth when a differing opinion is brought up. There's atheists who do the same thing. With every group you have to take the bad with the good and understand that the bad things do not make the good things any lesser for the association. Relax, everyone. We can all get along, really
Comment by Annie A — August 9, 2011 @ 2:09 pm
What's most ironic is that the very group that caused 9/11 were radically religious, didn't tolerate other people's beliefs, and wanted to kill them. Hate begets hate, violence begets violence… love begets love.
Comment by Vadoff — August 9, 2011 @ 2:10 pm
the USA was once a pretty nice country, for the last 50 years or so they have slowly declined into a worrying pit of religious idiocy though, im quite worried about their future.
Comment by kack — August 9, 2011 @ 2:10 pm
lol, I cant believe anyone with a single brain cell would take anything heard on Faux News seriously.
http://www.real-anonymity.us.tc
Comment by ZukRoo — August 9, 2011 @ 2:12 pm
Nice try O'Reilly.
Comment by Anon — August 9, 2011 @ 2:13 pm
I don't know why everyone is giving this the thumbs down, you're correct. All they need to do it blackout the names and profile pictures and they'll be fine.
People, don't thumbs down someone for the truth, even if it hurts.
Comment by joel — August 9, 2011 @ 2:22 pm
To anyone claiming that these people are not true Christians, you should all take a moment to read this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman. You are all committing the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
Comment by Joshua — August 9, 2011 @ 2:41 pm
I can claim to be king of the world, but it doesn't make me that.
Comment by Atheist Libertarian — August 9, 2011 @ 2:57 pm
Glad to see their Christian morality is working out for them!! Oh…wait…
This sort of nonsense makes me so sad for my friends who are true Christians – and actually follow the teachings of Christ, daily.
Comment by Liz — August 9, 2011 @ 3:02 pm
Totally agree with you. I saddens me that so often people resort to hateful comments like this just because they don't agree with someone.
Comment by @kmart93 — August 9, 2011 @ 3:11 pm
Well. To be fair a cross is easier to coincidentally happen than a crescent moon, chubby guy under a tree, a 7-armed candle, or an Elephant. I guess I left a lot out, but you get my point. It could be, oh I don't know, a coincidence? Seems like sort of shallow comfort to just make a lowercase "t" on the site where 3,000 people died….
Comment by Kev — August 9, 2011 @ 3:14 pm
But in erecting a cross, you are showing favoritism toward Christianity. This memorial is not being privately funded, it is being put up by the government, so there cannot be any religious favoritism. That is the law, clear as day.
Comment by Gabe Levine — August 9, 2011 @ 3:15 pm
No, Judy, you are the one who needs to learn how to have some respect for others.
I personally know atheists who died on 9/11. It would disrespect their lives to erect a cross on their death site. It disgusts me that Christians think of ground zero as a holy site, and it disturbs me that you're too ignorant to see why that's a serious problem.
Comment by Jack — August 9, 2011 @ 3:17 pm
What's with all the hatred, you "Christians"? I don't see any Jews, Muslims, Hindus commenting with such hate in them? They all stick together, while you are stirring hatred everywhere….
Put your aggression somewhere else. Bang your head in the wall. Just stop being so negative. So full of ****
And I am Catholic (or so I thought… till now…)
Comment by poihadkjhsbvjkh.b — August 9, 2011 @ 3:19 pm
No true Scotsman…
Comment by Koffee — August 9, 2011 @ 3:28 pm
They can put a cross their but only if they put up memorials for all of the religious groups represented by the people in The Towers that day.
Comment by Nessy — August 9, 2011 @ 3:32 pm
Wow.. Thats sad.. When were suppose to be winning souls to Christ.. not shunning those away who have done wrong…bc last time i checked WE ARE ALL SINNERS ..and yet God didnt turn his back on us…
Comment by kristi — August 9, 2011 @ 3:35 pm
unfortunately, being an American, means you are a Christian or "Other"…im Wiccan but i uphold the morals that i grew up with in the bible. But yet im hated for practicing love? You think we HAVNT read our constitution?
Kudos to you and Great Britain for your separation of state. Our country is being run by Christians who dont understand that concept. I agree we are assbackwards, but to generalize our whole countr based on a handful of people you see on the news talking, doesnt make it ok. "Fox News" is a mockery even in our society so its not like we're ignorant to this fact.
Comment by Chrystaline Rae Taylor — August 9, 2011 @ 3:35 pm
That's a fallacy called "No true Scotsman"
They are Christians.
Comment by Bear — August 9, 2011 @ 3:43 pm
Your rite we shoud shoot em!
Comment by Ron Scherby — August 9, 2011 @ 3:50 pm
*knew
Comment by Guest — August 9, 2011 @ 3:53 pm
fucking christians
Comment by pmck — August 9, 2011 @ 3:58 pm
Nothing is quite so vile as intolerant, religious bigots… of ANY faith.
Why are they incapable of seeing that they are as bad – if not worse – than the people whom they hiss & spit hatred and venom at?
Comment by Roy — August 9, 2011 @ 4:09 pm
you want a cross there? FIne, give every other religion represented in the united states (which is pretty much all of them) equal space. Even if the christians are right, every single one of those idiots is headed straight down.
Comment by proudpagan — August 9, 2011 @ 4:22 pm
that is the fallacious "no true Scotsman" argument. Just because they wish violence on others does not make them any less of a chiristian as you. In fact the bible specifically calls for death for multiple (minor) offenses. These people are christians and are acting like it.
Comment by No true scotsman — August 9, 2011 @ 4:23 pm
Wait let me get this straight – it's okay to put up a crucifix at the site of the Trade Centers, but it's not okay to build a mosque a few blocks away from it?
Comment by Katie Pachner — August 9, 2011 @ 4:28 pm
I cant see a single Kill em! comment where the writer claims to be a Christian. Why have you all assumed this? Only one Religion calls for the death of unbelievers. Assumption makes an Ass out of you and me. No wonder the world is in the state its in!!!
Comment by Phil — August 9, 2011 @ 4:42 pm
Definitaly have to include pastafarianism
Comment by athiest — August 9, 2011 @ 4:43 pm
Well you see in American we have a special breed of Christian. Most people call them "Evangelical Christians". These are the type of people that believe that as long as you accept Jesus into your heart as your true savior you are forgiven for all of your sins. These people are nothing short of crazy in my personal opinion. As are most people that will follow a faith blindly. Again in my opinion.
The only symbol that should be at ground zero is The American Flag. Our flag is what represents our nation as a whole. Regardless of ethnicity or faith The American Flag represent every American past, present, and future. Can we all compromise on this? (Again this is my opinion.)
Comment by Morgan Stafford — August 9, 2011 @ 5:00 pm
The postings are edited, ive seen these from a while ago. That stupid whore Sindy clock mentioned something about hoping atheists get raped… wheres that at?
Comment by yooo — August 9, 2011 @ 5:13 pm
well u were not catholic since birth seeing as how when you were fresh out of the womb you didn't know what cheese was let alone your religous preference….still i'm glad you stuck with it. And i agree with you isn't the whole point of religion love… god is love and that jazz and besides if these people murdered my fellow athesits would that be…. oh I don't know … a major sin landing all of them in hell? way to go retards!!! I'm glad who have the right principles in mind…..negotiation and civilized discussion.
Comment by a- theist aa — August 9, 2011 @ 5:15 pm
Devout atheist don't blow up abortion clinics or fly planes into buildings.
They tend to just call beliefs stupid and fight for their rights.
Comment by Ryan — August 9, 2011 @ 5:15 pm
Its clearly these people aren't really Christians because any true Christians would say something as stupid as this.
Comment by Eric — August 9, 2011 @ 5:16 pm
The KKK burn crosses does that count?
Comment by Eric — August 9, 2011 @ 5:24 pm
I'd like to see something along the lines of what was done with the Vietnam memorial, the Wall with a statue of someone from FDNY, NYPD and other emergency services.
Comment by Penny — August 9, 2011 @ 5:26 pm
I don't see where anyone threatened to kill someone or some group. They are just expressing their opinion. They are saying someone should die or someone should kill someone, they are not ordering anyone to commit murder. It is more of a wish. This is just expression. I can see If someone said "I am going to kill so and so", then it would be a threat.
Comment by John — August 9, 2011 @ 5:27 pm
"[...] speaking as an evangelical Christian, the sentiments expressed towards atheists in these sample posts are simply immoral."
Really? How exactly are they immoral for you "as an evangelical Christian"? The bible is full of murder, rape and punishment of non-believers (as well as followers of other religions, children, women, homosexuals, animals and many other groups). Your pathetic, imaginary sky wizards kills and orders to kill non-believers by the millions in that book you think holy. Also, for that abhorrent imaginary deity you worship, not believing in him is the one unforgivable sin. According to the bible, everything else is forgivable. Theft, murder, rape, etc. No big deal as long as you ask for forgiveness. The one thing for which there is no forgiveness is not believing in that stinking judeo-christian god.
So, dear Doug, for Christians to demand to kill Atheists is not immoral. It is entirely in keeping with the moronic notions they were indoctrinated with. You just don't have the wherewithal and courage to take an honest look at the book you base your beliefs on.
Comment by John Keel — August 9, 2011 @ 5:28 pm
Those sample post shows you how violently dangerous the mythology of christianity is.
Comment by Raf Fak — August 9, 2011 @ 5:37 pm
I don't think that respecting the beliefs of some of the fallen would be offensive to the rest of the fallen. If there are other religious symbols that should be represented, I see no reason those shouldn't be considered. The atheists can reserve an area for nothing-at-all to be built just for them.
Comment by Sam — August 9, 2011 @ 5:39 pm
only if they were posting the screenshot on facebook..
Comment by jake — August 9, 2011 @ 5:40 pm
don't forget needles.
Comment by Lucifer — August 9, 2011 @ 5:43 pm
Thanks guys, for setting such a good example of the tolerance Jesus taught.
Comment by Renee — August 9, 2011 @ 5:49 pm
No, they haven't. I looked up some of these "God fearing Christians" and their accounts are still open. Kind of sickening, isn't it?
Comment by PeaceCory — August 9, 2011 @ 5:49 pm
An atheists belief system is not set on morals from God its just mans opinion. So whatever an atheist does is not right or wrong. If an atheist grew up with a father that taught that rape and murder was ok then the atheist would find nothing wrong with raping and murdering. I dont know any atheists that rape or murder but I'm just showing how an atheists moral and what that believe in are just based on mans option.
Comment by Benjamin Price — August 9, 2011 @ 5:50 pm
You weren't born Catholic. You were raised as such. Everyone is born an atheist until taught otherwise.
Comment by Max — August 9, 2011 @ 5:50 pm
"free to abuse each other" – if only it were just that. But these people threatened death. That's not just verbal abuse, that is criminal.
Comment by PeaceCory — August 9, 2011 @ 5:53 pm
Careful on the judging… "the eternal damnation they speak of shall be their own" is a decision to be made by no mortal man. That's where the scariest of Christians confuse me: they don't listen to their own idol.
Comment by PeaceCory — August 9, 2011 @ 5:58 pm
Although I agree that erecting a cross may be offensive to some, the lawsuit proposed by American Atheists was just a little absurd. Being offended at knowing that non-Christian 9/11 victims will not be recognized by the planting of a cross is different from suffering mental anguish.
Both sides always have their problems, but that's just as far as the Cross and Lawsuit argument goes.
For the people that posted the death threats, I say that there is little hope for this world. For one, they do not even know the basis of the conflict between the Middle East and the NATO countries. Secondly, these same 8000 people that posted death threats to the Fox News Facebook page follow a religion that preaches love and tolerance. I mean, how can we expect progress in a country where people cannot believe something without being majorly frowned upon?
Comment by Mr. Apathy — August 9, 2011 @ 6:01 pm
Charity you are an idiot. End of story.
Comment by AGS — August 9, 2011 @ 6:17 pm
One group of silly children against another. Atheism (or, at least, strict philosophical atheism) and fundamentalism both involve far too many broad, sweeping negatives to be valid; how would you endeavor to prove, even to a reasonable degree of satisfaction (not asking for mathematical proof, which as Aristotle said we do not rightly require of things that do not admit of it) EITHER that there is no reality which would rightly fit the idea of 'God' or that the nature of that reality is restricted to a certain, extremely narrow, and (at least, to all appearances) arbitrarily defined set of qualities and actions? The most basic demands of rational skepticism forbid either conclusion.
What puzzles me is the crucifix – if the article used that word correctly. Crucifixes are not universal, or as far as I know even common, among fundamentalists; they're the hallmark of Catholics, Orthodox, and the Protestant groups that retain enough doctrinal similarity to those two original sects to retain that symbol (I think Lutherans do, and I know Anglicans do). Fundamentalists usually use the plain, unadorned cross. Is there a picture of the proposed cross/crucifix?
Comment by FakeKraid — August 9, 2011 @ 6:18 pm
I feel that religion should be left out of the 9/11 memorial. The 9/11 attacks effected all races and religions and bringing attention to one specific is not what America is a representation of. America may have Christianity as its main religion, but our country was not founded on Christianity, it was founded as a place for religious freedom…
Comment by Chelsey217 — August 9, 2011 @ 6:19 pm
Those are not Christians. Modern American evangelical fundamentalism doxologically, ecumenically, and doctrinally resembles ancient Hellenic and Germanic paganism much more than it resembles Christianity in any of its more traditional historical forms.
Comment by FakeKraid — August 9, 2011 @ 6:20 pm
The medicine is given where it is needed; and the sicker a man is the more clearly he sees he needs a doctor. Nevertheless, I take their 'hate-driven' behavior as a more distressing sign; that the medicine is not being taken according to the doctor's orders, and is working more harm than good – like an antibiotic that kills off the weaker germs and leaves only the stronger ones to wreak worse havoc than before. Spiritual MRSA.
Comment by FakeKraid — August 9, 2011 @ 6:24 pm
Erecting a cross at Ground Zero would indirectly imply that only Christians died there, and is quite the affront to the Treaty of Tripoli.
And seriously, is atheism that bad that these people want to murder us in cold blood? Did we time warp to the 1200's?
The Bible needs this passage: "Check thyself before one wrecks thyself" Cube 2:08
Comment by Haiders B. Hayden — August 9, 2011 @ 6:33 pm
Not only that, but the Treaty of Tripoli explicitly states that we are not a Christian nation.
Comment by Haiders B. Hayden — August 9, 2011 @ 8:20 pm
I see comments all the time about killing Muslims,……….are those O.K.?
Comment by Silenced — August 9, 2011 @ 8:31 pm
"Thou Shalt not Kill"
These people and anyone like them are NOT CHRISTIANS. They are more like.. satanic!
Comment by Sam — August 9, 2011 @ 8:32 pm
Just "believing" that he exists does NOT make you a Christian! If the ones who posted the hateful remarks are under this impression they need more understanding of the scripture.
Comment by Guest — August 9, 2011 @ 8:36 pm
You are at -69, that's hot, so I can't downvote any further!
Comment by Zack — August 9, 2011 @ 8:43 pm
These are some of the same people who want to marry their relatives. Too much brainwashing by the church. Maybe it's time the church pays tax. We need the revenue. Religion is like a poison.
Comment by Tom — August 9, 2011 @ 9:10 pm
i think its funny how they say "truly be American" when this very country was founded on concept of "Freedom of religion"
people like this are no better than the terrorists we are fighting in Iraq, i am sorry but you guys make me sick.
Comment by Hudeani — August 9, 2011 @ 9:12 pm
I find it odd that Christians want to erect a monument at the site of a tragedy to a God that clearly took the day that tragedy occurred off… Or maybe Americans just weren't praying hard enough, so the all-loving God decided to lay some good old Old Testament destruction on us.
Comment by Dan — August 9, 2011 @ 9:12 pm
kill them all.
wait…
Comment by Beer — August 9, 2011 @ 9:15 pm
I think all Religion should be illegal.Religion is just one big fairy tale made-up to keep the sheeple in line.
Comment by Knuckles — August 9, 2011 @ 9:17 pm
These people are a danger to those around them, I think we should know their name so we can make sure we're not in the same room with them. Kind of like posting America's most wanted. If you're making those kind of threats, you shoudn't be allowed to remain anonymous.
Comment by Robbie Bearden — August 9, 2011 @ 9:21 pm
You were not Catholic from birth, you were indoctrinated from birth. In other words, your parents abused you. They told you what to think and you took it and now think it's your belief. Anyone "born" into any religion will grow up thinking it is the one true faith. Think on it.
Comment by Monti Stratton — August 9, 2011 @ 9:23 pm
I gotta say, I love it when a religion based almost entirely on love(or god's love, if your prefer), demonstrates it's true colors so as all these people who are apparent Christians disregard all concern for the cardinal sin of their beliefs, to not kill another, and instead rally together to encourage killing people that don't share their beliefs. Makes it easier to see how the crusades were possible.
ANY religion that leads you to believe that killing or harming someone that doesn't share your beliefs is acceptable behavior is not a religion. At that point, it's just dangerous.
Comment by AnAtheist — August 9, 2011 @ 9:34 pm
I made a video collection of the death threats http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1SfjbXqmR0
Comment by Michael — August 9, 2011 @ 9:39 pm
So for the people who posted those comments on FB, I guess it's more of a case of "Who Would Jesus Shoot?"
Comment by OtherRob — August 9, 2011 @ 9:43 pm
Why do you Christer assholes assume that we atheists aren't armed too?
Come and get some. pussies. You'll be leaving feet first.
Comment by There Is NO god — August 9, 2011 @ 9:46 pm
Completely agreed. It's so easy to use that as a cop out. These people aren't "real" Christians. These people aren't "real" Americans. It's all garbage and ignoring the issue.
Comment by Meghann — August 9, 2011 @ 9:50 pm
I do not believe a direct representation of ANY religion should be used for such a thing as this memorial. People who died came from all walks of life (religion AND ethnicities) and I happen to agree with the Atheist's point of view. We have a horrible concept of separation of church and state. I was raised Catholic and when learning of the concept of who and what was acceptable as human beings it made me open my eyes to other religions. The closest one I consider myself, if any, is Wiccan. I also have many (true) Christian friends who would be appalled at this type of insane behavior.
Comment by ghostdarlin — August 9, 2011 @ 10:02 pm
Remember those names,
Paul Altum
Bob O Connell
Joseph sneckenberg
Joe Martinez
Casey M Jones
Chris Dunn
Tim Allen
Raylene Ingmire
Sindy Clock
These are people we shall not extend any respect to. They are as unAmerican as one can get. I for one would not want to even associate with one of these jerks.
Comment by john — August 9, 2011 @ 10:07 pm
what strikes me about these "christians" is their apparent and collosal lack of common sense. many of them posted these abominable death threats with their actual names. that having been said, is the f.b.i. or any other protective government entity going to attempt to find them and at least question them? some of those threats are vile, perverted and twisted ideas, and i've no doubt that at least one of these cretins is capable of actually commiting one of these acts. or are they going to wait until someone is hurt or killed before they do something about it. it seems to me that had a well known religious figure had been threatened, (s)he'd be in protective custody and the the people threatening would be found, questioned and held for making terrorist threats.
Comment by Celia Ingersoll Vasquez — August 9, 2011 @ 10:08 pm
these people posted their names on a very public facebook page. they should have been well aware that there would be no privacy in this particular forum. they took that chance, as have you and i, that they would/could be identified. their lack of discretion and common sense amazes me. i posted a comment about that lack a little earlier.
Comment by Celia Ingersoll Vasquez — August 9, 2011 @ 10:14 pm
As an atheist, I am all for the crucifix being put up. To some it is a symbolism of death and a little bit of a memorial when they see it. I can see why they would say it violates the line between church and state, as it does. But there is also a time to pick your battles. This is one not to fight, I think. Thousands of people died and they deserve a memorial. For 5 seconds, put away religion and remember these people, not the people out there who believe in something else. While I am offended by all the hate comments, everyone is entitled to their opinion, regardless of how rude. As I said before, while it is a crosses the separation between church and state, I believe this is a time and place where we should let it slide and remember these people who died.
Comment by Michael — August 9, 2011 @ 10:17 pm
absolutely. i've a;ready stated that a couple of times. if a well known religious figure had been threatened, those posters would have been investigated immediately and the leader placed in some type of protective custody,
Comment by Celia Ingersoll Vasquez — August 9, 2011 @ 10:18 pm
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
Just following what the bible tells them.
Comment by Jon — August 9, 2011 @ 10:20 pm
joel: who's truth would that be. these people threw privacy concerns out the window when they posted death threats on a very public facebook forum. they didn't seem to care if anyone knew who they were, why, then, should their privacy be respected and protected after the fact?
Comment by Celia Ingersoll Vasquez — August 9, 2011 @ 10:20 pm
and perhaps mr. stretch, you should learn the difference between effect (1. Something brought about by a cause or agent; a result. 2. The power to produce an outcome or achieve a result; influence) and affect (1. To have an influence on or effect a change in. 2. To act on the emotions of; touch or move)
Comment by Celia Ingersoll Vasquez — August 9, 2011 @ 10:32 pm
'maim'
Comment by John — August 9, 2011 @ 10:42 pm
I can probably guess that 99.99% of these "Christians" have never even touched a bible before. Im Atheist and even i have read parts of the bible. They all probably failed at science.
Comment by John Kim — August 9, 2011 @ 10:46 pm
No, it only demonstrates that there are Christians who are blood thirsty, not that Christians are blood thirsty.
Comment by Derek Rumpler — August 9, 2011 @ 10:49 pm
I just don't think you can trust the average human psyche to take a fantastical idea like religion and use it in the way people like to think it works. Encouraging this type of thought gets simple minded people thinking that the world is made of magic and that praying fixes things. But the second they get sick or need help they want medicine and technology(benefits of science) to bail them out. Perhaps a good way to pay for healthcare in our country would be to put them on the PRAY plan while the rest of us godless sinners engage practical ideas like stem cells and research and let them fall by the wayside.
Comment by Bob — August 9, 2011 @ 10:53 pm
Okay, so when i saw all the comments those so called Christians put made me disgusted. I am agnostic. So what if i was Atheist? Would all those people want to shoot me in the head with a 12 Gauge if they could? That's pretty obscene. Im just a kid. I could have sworn that one of the Ten Commandments states that "Thou Shall Not Kill." and im pretty sure STRIFE is one of the Seven Deadly Sins. You should be ashamed of yourself because all of the death threat commentators are HYPOCRITES. Even though you are telling them to go to hell, you don't realize that in your religion guide line, you'll be seeing them there when you die. =] Have a nice day.
Comment by Sammi Sevenfold — August 9, 2011 @ 11:00 pm
To simplify the matter even further, the religious preference of the victims is irrelevant. This was an attack by terrorists on America, not Christianity. Keep the memorial clean and clear of anything unnecessary, like religious symbols.
Comment by repete66211 — August 9, 2011 @ 11:24 pm
Jesus would be so proud of these idiots. lol.
Comment by Baci302 — August 9, 2011 @ 11:30 pm
Actually what these ding-dongs did was completely criminal (making descriptive death threats over the internet). They should be brought up on charges, and forced to spend several years in jail, or all their money to avoid it. Hopefully there won't be a "next time", but if there is, these mental rejects will think twice about it before posting crap like that. This is assumng they can still afford internet/computers after the "mouth thing" costs them all they have figuratively, and literally.
Comment by Richard Smith — August 9, 2011 @ 11:33 pm
Fox: We led the horse to water and were shocked when it began to drink!!!
I was on a Fox News page earlier today. It is appalling what fellow travelers comfortable the anonymity of the internet post. It made me shudder. They're inhuman.
Comment by repete — August 9, 2011 @ 11:34 pm
Thumbs down for missing the point. Death threats are also against the facebook TOS and are certainly a more pressing concern.
Comment by Tyler — August 9, 2011 @ 11:36 pm
Well said Bree, I thought the First Amendment to the Constitution gives people the Right to practice/believe what they want……
If the Atheists want to bring a lawsuit, it is their right….Whether they win, well, that is a different story…But, these fools who say these vile things, are a little confused. They equate love of country to love of God….hmmm, interesting!….You can love one thing and not believe in the other, there are no laws against that…At least not yet, give it time thou……
Yep, the rhetoric/exploitation of God is starting to begin, ah, damn, Reichties can't you stop using God as a Cheap Campaign Slogan!….
Comment by Whyputaname — August 9, 2011 @ 11:36 pm
well before you throw your elbow out of socket patting yourself on the back sir, consider the fact that you have rioting in London right now as this post goes up, furthermore your country has been caught in the "oppression" cycle" more than once (can you say Apartheid). I mean when you think about it America wouldn't be here in the first place if you British weren't in an oppressive mode to begin with. What about the Daily Crapper or whatever you call Rupert Murdoc's bird cage liner. You Brits bought up all the sleazy and oppressive stuff that was published in it on a daily basis, and even wanted "juice" so bad the paper felt the need to hack personal phone calls and voicemails just so it could get a bit more on someone and keep it's british subscriber base.
Comment by Richard Smith — August 9, 2011 @ 11:41 pm
It doesn't honor the Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists, etc. who lost their lives that day. It only honors the Christians. Whether or not you think America is a christian nation, you have to understand that 9/11 was not a christian tragedy.
Comment by Tyler — August 9, 2011 @ 11:42 pm
People who make those comments should be exposed for what they are. Too many people are hiding behind a screen name while making despicable comments.
Comment by s ben rich — August 10, 2011 @ 1:21 am
Isn't all this killing you guys are talking about against your little magic rulebook? Thou shall not kill. All you idiot religious nuts fail.
Comment by Some guy — August 10, 2011 @ 2:02 am
No more than any other religion. Stupid of you to insult one religion for being bloodthirsty while ignoring the bloodthirstiness of others. FYI yes I am atheist, but please be fair – ALL religions have a bloodthirsty history. Ignorant.
Comment by Atheistrealist — August 10, 2011 @ 2:02 am
Oh wow another arrogant anti-American hatemonger. You have (or should I say "had") News of the World, and many other news outlets like it which hack into cellphones daily and boast about it. No better than Faux News. Yeah we know you have separation of church and state, as Imran Chaudry openly on TV speaks of establishing Sharia Law in the UK while you sit idly by and look. Look in the mirror and at your own country dumbarse! You're no better.
Comment by atheistrealist — August 10, 2011 @ 2:06 am
These people who made the comments they did may claim to be Christians but their verbal displays are farthest from… They have no roots in scripture and/or the love that Christ showed to all that have truly been saved. Before any professed believer decides to remark as these people did we need to ask ourselves this… Were any of us any less sinful or depraved before Christ changed our hearts? (Answer is no) That being the case, how could we attempt to judge them against a standard that the Lord has not applied towards us? It is a sad thing for sure but this is also an opportunity for those who are rooted in a deep relationship with Chris to correct our brothers and sisters out there and to speak up with love and respect.
Comment by Collin Yoon Bin Lee — August 10, 2011 @ 2:31 am
It is not, Christians are not perfect. These people are either not Christians or they have unfortunately spoken outside of their professed faiths. I am sorry that you had to witness these comments but I encourage you to make your judgments of the Christian faith based on those who follow it more accurately as opposed to these lower denominators… Have a great week…
Comment by Collin Yoon Bin Lee — August 10, 2011 @ 2:33 am
Do you think that God never commanded people to rape, murder, and pillage? I think you should read the Bible again if you think God is all warm fuzzies.
Basing your morality on the Bible is a horrible thing to do.
Do you think it is immoral to stone an unruly child? God doesn't.
Do you believe that a woman is to be completely subservient to her husband? God does.
Do you believe that the victim of a rape must be purchased from her father, by the rapist, as payment for father's loss of property?
Also, I'd probably say that the vast majority of atheists wouldn't really give a rat's ass about what invisible, undetectable, supernatural deity you believe in, as long as you keep your beliefs to yourself. I'd be willing to bet there was a swastika-shaped piece of wreckage from the towers as well, so does that mean that Hitler was actually a deity and Nazism should be promoted at the memorial? I'm going to start my own religion where the holy symbol is a square. I'll be getting promoted everywhere.
Finally, there is no "atheistic belief system," nor anything that you could attribute to anyone that claims the atheistic position, other than the fact that we do not believe in a deity because there is no proof of one's existence.
Comment by Doshibu — August 10, 2011 @ 2:33 am
It is shameful for sure but as a Christian, I know that we are not perfect and in fact, Christ is "perfecting" our faiths all throughout our lives. I am sorry that you had to witness these people's comments and that it reflected on the Christian faith but I will tell you that none of what they expressed is rooted at all in Christianity or the bible. I always like to encourage people to validate the claims of what people profess to be before accepting just their words… Many people claim to be this or that but how they live is the testament to what they really believer. In any case, these lower denominators many not be the best examples to judge the Christian faith by…
Comment by Collin Yoon Bin Lee — August 10, 2011 @ 2:36 am
Actually the commandment was thou shalt not "murder"… God in fact commanded Israel to kill men, women, and even children at various times. I do understand what you were saying though…
Comment by Collin Yoon Bin Lee — August 10, 2011 @ 2:37 am
I couldn't care less to be honest. Christianity, and religions as a whole, were only used to give humans a basis of morality. People who are not educated enough to make their own decisions and own up to the consequences are the ones who still follow religion because of the ultimate cop out of "It was God's intentions".
Would I say I'm an atheist? No. There is no reason to put blind faith into either religion. Yes, atheism is a religion. I'd rather be a skeptical intelligent, than an unintelligent sheep.
Comment by Anonymoose247 — August 10, 2011 @ 2:53 am
The suit, legally, has little ground in that atheists are annoyed. Its just that its illegal, and they want to see the constitution upholde (first amendment).
Comment by michael — August 10, 2011 @ 2:55 am
These people are more proof of the atheist position that the acceptance of gods and their dogmas don't make you a good person, instead it's how you choose to conduct yourself and how you treat others. Especially those who counter your beliefs.
I have always been an atheist, and I always will be proud to be one. Idiotic remarks like that don't frighten me or offend me. Instead I feel pity for these people that they are so easily threatened by an opposing point of view.
And I do agree that erecting a Christian symbol at ground zero would be offensive because not everyone in this country is Christian and we can't assume that all of the victims were. There is nothing more offensive than presumption.
Comment by Jenn Sexton — August 10, 2011 @ 3:52 am
Thank you!! as an atheist, I have never bullied or belittled others for their beliefs, so why should I be accosted? Treat others as you would be treated is still a great philosophy/practice… Take care everyone!!
Comment by subnerdo — August 10, 2011 @ 4:49 am
it's absolute bs. I know if I said something as hateful, then I would get reported and blocked/cancelled. Why should one religion be above others? I am an atheist, and this is flat-out garbage!!
Comment by subnerdo — August 10, 2011 @ 4:52 am
instead of putting anything of any religion there, why not put something there that would bring peace to everyone, why put something there that is only going to divide a nation.
Comment by Gidget Ramsey — August 10, 2011 @ 5:55 am
if the fbi looks into this, i wouldnt be surprized that most of the comments we're probley made by 10-17 year old kids trying to spark a controversy. in case most of u havent noticed, on most yahoo or any other post for that matter is usually a bunch of inmature comments probley mostly coming from kids, i see so much hate on the internet that its unbelieveable, and if its coming from adults then u should be ashamed, if its coming from kids, wheres the parents, why r they not watching their children on the net? I mean honestly most adults would know better than to make death threats with their name being made public, most kids wouldnt give it a second thought. no one or no group should ever have death threats made to them, please stop the hate and focus on something postitive for a change.
Comment by Gidget Ramsey — August 10, 2011 @ 6:41 am
Jesus said to turn your cheek,love your enemy etc… what those people were spouting wasn't Christianity. You don't offer to kill someone one because they disagree with you.
IMHO if you have a cross then other religions should be allowed access. There had to be other victims that were not Christian. They should be represented.
Comment by Danielle — August 10, 2011 @ 6:57 am
I am ashamed of these people,they do not represent Christianity. In fact I can't help but wonder if they are people trying to stir things up,trolls.
I'm a Christian and I think if the cross is being represented ,which I think it should be if it brings comfort ,then there should be other religions also represented. It wasn't only Christians that were victims.
Comment by Danielle — August 10, 2011 @ 7:01 am
Get your nihilism out of my atheism.
Comment by Cladge — August 10, 2011 @ 7:11 am
hahaha, christians only know how to kill? your God taught you that? very good at first comment there, wonder if that moron ever see God, bring your God to me.
Comment by IamAtheist — August 10, 2011 @ 7:30 am
I would have to admit, that with my past experience being raised in the south with southern baptist, that I am not surprised by the hateful comments. It doesn't mean that I agree with taking christian simbols out of society, but the hateful responces just show where the christian community has been heading the last few decades.
Comment by Rob — August 10, 2011 @ 7:39 am
i just want to point out that those 'christians' sound a LOT like muslims when terry jones threatened to burn the koran.
religious zealots are zealots whether you attach a religion to it or not.
this is THE EXACT reason to keep religion OUT of government.
Comment by silas jayne — August 10, 2011 @ 7:43 am
How Christian of you! Shoot them ? Kill Them?
Even more reason to abolish religion…
Comment by Dahveed — August 10, 2011 @ 8:18 am
Kill them and let them find out if there is a god…ooops…no there isn't. They're just dead now. And they were right.
Comment by idmars10 — August 10, 2011 @ 8:27 am
Pretty disgusting, this is why i gave up on religion-hypocrites suck & deluded narcissictic ones suck even more!
Comment by Amy Blake — August 10, 2011 @ 8:38 am
Why should the personal agenda of a relatively small group of individuals, such as Atheist, take precedent over the cathartic symbology of a greater majority – such as preserving the cross at ground zero that was naturally formed via the tragedy? If it offends your delicate sensibilities, you don't have to look at or even acknowledge it – only tolerate it as you wish your views are tolerated. Sadly, It speaks to a larger, more profound problem, that being: Atheists are akin to parasites – they sanctimoniously enjoy all the benefits of a worldview and culture borne from religion, yet fail to contribute to that energy all the while hypocritically denigrating it. Also, its not enough for them to refute the notion of faith, they must persist in pushing their godless, myopic ideology on the rest of us, as if they're somehow more “enlightened” and “intellectual” for living a life devoid of spirituality or hope for salvation. In reality, I would not be surprised if the majority of the post so mention were by non-Christian, secular bloggers seeking to undermine the validity of Christian teachings, for the sole purpose of furthering the anti-Christian agenda through subterfuge and mendacious tactics becoming increasingly apparent in America.
Comment by MStone — August 10, 2011 @ 8:43 am
Why can't we put up a memorial with many religious symbols on it, in place of or in combination with the proposed cross? I'm a big fan of those Coexist bumper stickers; I feel that they show respect to all the faiths around you. As a practicing Christian, I do my best to respect my neighbor.
Christians don't go around killing people. Crazy people go around killing people. Just saying.
Comment by JEH — August 10, 2011 @ 8:46 am
Shut up you Brit. Go out and riot or play some SOCCER!!!!
Comment by Yourdumb — August 10, 2011 @ 8:48 am
Unfortunately our country is straying from its mission statement. Would love if government leaders would live up to it!
Comment by JEH — August 10, 2011 @ 8:48 am
Is this the kind of message the cross is meant to state? Kill 'em all? Let God sort em out? I am usually inclined to agree with my favorite TV host and it broke my heart to have to say this, but John Stewart – this is the kind of harm it does.
Comment by Anthony Edwards — August 10, 2011 @ 8:52 am
You cannot disown members of your flock just because they do something you don't like. They're still Christians.
Comment by Anthony Edwards — August 10, 2011 @ 8:57 am
Can you think of anyone who would die such a horrible death for you? Jesus was beaten beyond recongnition by a whip that had these sharp objects on the end of each strap so when he was hit with these it would tear into Jesus' skin with each impact, and strip and shred Jesus' skin to the point of falling off in pieces of flesh and he had a crown of thorns put on his head which had very sharp points so sharp that it dug into his skull, and then to top it all off a guard speared him into the side. As he hung on the cross the nails that left him hanging and his feet in inmoblie so he sufficated and when he tried to get air to breath he couldn't because his feet were nailed too so he died a very slow, horrilble death for you and me and this world. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son , that who ever believes in him may have eternal life. John 3:16. Can you think of anyone who would sacrifice his only son for you,? Or who would take such a horrible beating, thorns, spear for you?
Comment by Brenda Cluff — August 10, 2011 @ 8:58 am
There're biblical passages that condone the act of murdering an athiest, and even more promenantly your children and wife if they convert to ANY other religion. As does the Quaran. Any outspoken Athiest is not safe.
Comment by Anthony Edwards — August 10, 2011 @ 8:59 am
I so agree
Comment by Brenda Cluff — August 10, 2011 @ 9:02 am
To all those who threaten to kill off the atheists. Shame on you. There is a better way to express your voice without being hateful. Jesus Christ wasn't hateful in dealing with the pharisees. He spoke Gods truth and show them respect. This is what Matthew 5:11 NIV says, Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. There are alot of people who would love to poke at the Chirstian faith and its sad that you open the door to such perscution. but sometimes it is better to pray and Let God do the rest.
Comment by Brenda Cluff — August 10, 2011 @ 9:12 am
When was America a "pretty nice country"? Back when they were killing Native Americans, burning witches, or lynching blacks? Don't rewrite history my friend. We have always had our issues and I would rather be living now (as a black atheist male) than any other time in our history.
Comment by Myballz Rhuge — August 10, 2011 @ 9:18 am
What other religions have as part of their rites the ritualistic drinking of their saviors blood and eating of his body? That some sick stuff right there.
I love the "No True Scotsman" arguments that come up every time you point out a Christian behaving badly. What these people are missing is the fact that religion not only gives people the excuse for this behavior, it also provides them with the ultimate arrogance of saying "I'm right because my understanding of GOD says I'm right."
If they said "I'm right because my dog told me so" we toss them in the looney bin. But if they say it was their invisible unprovable magic friend then we're suppose to respect that. Unbelievable.
Religion deserves every bit of ridicule that can be heaped upon it until the human race wakes up and realizes that maybe we shouldn't still be acting as if a bunch of bronze age myths should be taken seriously.
Comment by RationalNonBeliever — August 10, 2011 @ 9:20 am
All of the right wing President Obama haters are all going to go straight to "HELL".
Comment by DWB — August 10, 2011 @ 9:31 am
I don't usually post, but I felt it necessary to add that John Keel and his anger aren't representative of the rest of us atheists. I, for one, am glad you don't hold the same ill will as many of the posters.
Comment by A less angry atheist — August 10, 2011 @ 9:42 am
First, I do not believe that there should be a cross placed at the 911 site. All that should be placed there is a memorial to the victims that lost their lives that day.
Second, the people that made these threats to Scott's group are not, in any way, displaying the true meaning of what it is to be a Christian. God does not order or want hate, violence, judging or war. A Christians role is to treat all as equals, to keep an open mind, so that they may reach those that need to be reached. Not to turn their backs on them or condemn them. (see my next comment for third)
Comment by Marsha — August 10, 2011 @ 9:50 am
Thirdly, for those of you that have gotten on this comment thread and threatened, bashd or attacked Christians…you are no better than those that did the same to Scotts group, or to Scott himself. You cannot right a wrong with another wrong. People these days are so quick to go after those that they feel do not live the same lifestyle or have the same opinion about things….they feel that these others are less of a person because they do not have the same outlook on life or the same beliefs. We are all created in the same way, we will all live, and we will all die. God did not put a gold star on some and a black X on others. Rather than judging those that do not agree with you or share your beliefs, try listening to them, talking to them, or if nothing else, just respecting that you do not share the same opionions and move on. Nothing good can, does, or will ever come out of senseless threats and hate.
Or in more simple terms, grow up and stop acting like a middle schooler.
Comment by Marsha — August 10, 2011 @ 9:50 am
You are mistaken if you think atheists standing against the use of religious symbolism in a national monument is an act of hatred against Christians. If you do you join those in your number who feel victimized when they are made to play on a level field without state sanction of support of their worldview.
Suppose, for instance, the people who were in charge were Catholic and decided that a rosary would be an appropriate symbol for the monument. Would opposing the use of a Rosary be an act of hatred against Catholicism in general? Of course not, it would only be an oppostion to the appropriation of a national symbol by their particular worldview. To understand how atheists feel and how their position should be considered reasonable just think of it as being a rosary instead of a cross and you will understand.
Comment by Pirogue — August 10, 2011 @ 10:11 am
Just when i thought christian's couldnt get more stupid'er.
This is why i'm an atheist. Bitches be crazy.
Comment by God doesnt exist. — August 10, 2011 @ 10:15 am
WOW, and Christians refer to Islam as a violent religion?? As an Atheist this gives me bigger reason to stray away from these cults (Christianity, Islam, etc….). The only thing they teach their followers is to hate those who are not like you! I am glad that those names were not blurred out. That way the world can see how prejudicial these people are.
The more I learn about religion the more I embrace Atheism!!!!! GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!!
If prayer really worked……all problems would have been solved by now!
Comment by @Abztract1 — August 10, 2011 @ 10:25 am
christians wanna kill any non believer huh,, is that why they all wanna burn the karran? because they dont want the worlds to know they share the same goal?? kill anyone who doesnt convert!? im glad i dont believe in such a hateful shallow and useless god! maybe its because athiest dont believe in breeding with underage kids,, weve all seen how much religious types LOVE lil kids, oh wait ,, its usually a priest forcing kids into homosexual experiences,,,isnt that a no-no even by your rules??? guess the "goodbook" is just a paperweight in most homes.
Comment by truthis — August 10, 2011 @ 10:27 am
I hear that loud and clear!
thumbs up!
Comment by @Abztract1 — August 10, 2011 @ 10:29 am
funny,, ive never heard god's name without death attached to it…any god,, at least athiests are honest
Comment by truthis — August 10, 2011 @ 10:29 am
You needed this? Have you not paid attention to the who of Christian history? And to be clear, it is not Christianity that is blood-thirsty. The religion itself teaches peace. It it the people within the religion. Just as it is the people within any religion that use a religion as an excuse to hate, threaten and commit violence. The religion in and of itself is not the problem, it is the religious leaders who twist it for personal and political gain.
For full disclosure, I am an atheist. I view all religions as equally empty and open to corruption.
Comment by lisagems — August 10, 2011 @ 10:30 am
really??? you need to do more research!! i studied the clergy, worked for the clergy! left the clergy because the hide 99% of all wrongdoings to save face wityh the public, not with their own people, but with the public, its all pagan!!! christians are violent fanatics like any other followers. maybe if you stopped following and opened your eyes youd see that
Comment by bob — August 10, 2011 @ 10:33 am
You clearly have not read the WHOLE Bible. The new testament is written for believers today. The old testament is history of the Jewish people and the carnage they went through as a people of the one true God. Christians today do not have to live under the old "law", but were given a new directive by Christ himself. "Go therefore and preach the gospel to every nation." No where in the new testament does Jesus kill anyone, on the contrary, he resurects and gives life. I would rather believe in the one true God and find out after I die that he does not exist, than to not believe and find out he does. Pity the fool.
Comment by SuZQ — August 10, 2011 @ 10:36 am
Interesting to see al this hateful comments about killing. What would Jesus do?. I am pretty sure he would not suggest killing anybody, or shooting someone in the head with a shotgun.
Comment by Andrew — August 10, 2011 @ 10:41 am
I think Samuel is living on another planet. The Church (of England, primarily) does have an influence in state politics. Maybe not to the same degree as the US, but it is present.
You'd have to look at France to see a truly secular state in Europe.
Comment by Danny Withall — August 10, 2011 @ 10:53 am
Everything they said and eeverything the replys said are the reason Jesus went to the cross ..so that all this hate could be forgiven! Jesus went to the cross out of LOVE..which is a GIFT for all on here..He is no longer on the Corss HE LIVES!!..Even Christ said.."It is Finished". Doesn't matter if there's a cross there or not to HIM..He want s us to love God and Love People!
Comment by Grace Angelia Porter — August 10, 2011 @ 11:03 am
I'm an atheist, and I don't think there should be a cross there unless they also display other religious symbols and an atheist symbol.
Comment by Spenser — August 10, 2011 @ 11:16 am
Hey Atheistrealist…not All religions have a bloodthirsty history. Ignorant!
Comment by JBPANTS — August 10, 2011 @ 11:19 am
I would like to suggest a new convention for stories involving any religious group:
Quotation marks should be put around the religious affiliation of anyone calling for murder.
Examples:
Christians are outraged that "Christians" are calling for the murder of (group of people goes here).
Muslims are outraged that "Muslims" are calling for the murder of (group of people goes here).
You get the idea.
Comment by Guest — August 10, 2011 @ 11:20 am
I pray for your soul and hope that God lays His hands on your heart, God bles….
Comment by Sara — August 10, 2011 @ 11:33 am
Yeah, you guys are doing great over there, smh….
Comment by Sara — August 10, 2011 @ 11:35 am
You obviously haven't visited their facebook pages…
Comment by Sara — August 10, 2011 @ 11:36 am
We should all pray for your soul, God bless.
Comment by Loving Christian — August 10, 2011 @ 11:37 am
"When fascism comes to the U.S. it will be wrapped in a flag, and carrying a cross." – Sinclair Lewis
This is why I refrain from Fanatical organizations Christianity included. This is one of many reasons why I am Agnostic.
Comment by Randy — August 10, 2011 @ 12:01 pm
Come now Jane.
They are not a conservative channel, they are a propaganda outlet.
Comment by cinesimon — August 10, 2011 @ 12:20 pm
What if he was a gay, African American Atheist? Multiply the 200 threats X10. At the very least.
Comment by mark — August 10, 2011 @ 12:35 pm
All of you people threatening to kill someone is not the Christian way or belief. Ask yourselves What Would Jesus Do? and then pray for the aetheist/s. Scott Blair will have his day or reckoning and so will all of the people that feed him is point of view. As far as the Blair fighting to keep the city from not putting the Cross up….ok…..but no one can be prevented from putting their own cross/es up, right?
Comment by pkj — August 10, 2011 @ 12:43 pm
And i have to disagree with you there primarily because in you opinion a belief in God means that you consider yourself more involved? I'm sorry I don't think that is a criteria for civility or "enlightenment." I believe in God which means of course, I do consider what God will think of my actions, although I attempt to be a good person because that is the example Jesus set. Yes, i believe if I am good person and a faithful Christian I will be allowed to enter Heaven, although I do not think that makes me a less "enlightened" person than you. Apparently, enlightenment references a state of mind in which all that is possible is what you see. I am happy that our forefather's were therefore not enlightened or we might not have theoretical physics and basic medicine. All Christians tend to get lumped together with any extremist, marginal sect which calls themselves Christians not with any kind of careful consideration, yet because it suits the need of attempting to discredit us as ignorant or gullible. I understand it your opinion, although it appears incredibly judgmental.
Comment by joshua — August 10, 2011 @ 12:57 pm
"people really think its ok to shoot and kill somebody because what they believe in???"
I know its just a figure of speech on your part, but atheism is not a belief system. It's a lack of belief in a deity, that's all. Saying atheism is a belief system is is akin to saying "bald is a hair color". haha
Comment by Chad — August 10, 2011 @ 1:07 pm
And you should get an education to learn the differences between your and you're. I can only hope that your spelling errors are intentional.
Comment by Guest — August 10, 2011 @ 1:16 pm
One question..how can a christian be called a christian when they don't follow His sweet words? How is it that people do exactly the opposite of what He asked of us?? "Love one another as I have loved you" Seems out of place in this jumbled up society. You hear people out there predicting the end..yet Jesus said not even the angels in heaven shall know…only the Father. People give themselves the misery they live in. The anxiety. The loneliness. Everyone needs to stop being mean to others for what this country was founded on.."Freedom of religion or lack of religion" Give to God what He wants..stop and think before you put out those hateful words..be kind….
Comment by Ranza Love — August 10, 2011 @ 1:17 pm
"Those are not Christians. " No true Scotsman, eh ?
All it takes for someone to be a Christian is for them to 'accept Jesus Christ into their hearts as their lord and personal savior". Thats it. Clear as day. I bet if you ask these people if the accept Jesus as such, they will say they do.
Comment by Chad — August 10, 2011 @ 1:19 pm
Why pray for his soul ? Can't your god figure out what to do with Fraser on his own, or does he wait up at night for your call on important issues like this ? It's pretty arrogant of you to assume that you can influence an OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT creator god by talking to yourself.
Comment by Chad — August 10, 2011 @ 1:22 pm
Hi Dave – I am a Christian and don't agree with your beliefs or lack thereof. However, I love you as my neighbor and would never wish you harm. I don't believe you are evil, nor do I believe you are in a more enlightened state than I. I believe it's pride that won't allow some to believe in a higher power, but that is my belief. We might be good friends if we knew each other and my job as a Christian is to be loving, kind, charitable to those in need and to spread the word of God without ramming it down the throat of others or wearing it as some sort of "badge." I do not fear angering God. Those "Christians" who spew hatred and judgement, and those churches who run on fear are taking God's name in vain in the worst way. Peace to you! =)
Comment by Jazz — August 10, 2011 @ 1:23 pm
'agnostic' is not a valid 3rd option to the 'god question' . You either believe in a god or gods, or you don't ..it's as simple as that. There is no 3rd option.
Saying "I don't know" or "Im not sure" means that you DO NOT have belief in a god or gods. Not having belief equals = atheism. Atheism does not mean that you believe there is no god, as some theists like to try and smear atheists with… atheism simply means "without theistic belief". Unless you can say "I believe in ____ god" , you are an atheist.
Im not trying to be rude or anything, just letting you know that everyone is 'agnostic' (because we don't have unlimited/ultimate knowlege…no one 'knows' for sure)
Comment by Chad — August 10, 2011 @ 1:28 pm
THese people are only strengthen the atheists case, they are making themselves look like violent criminals instead of loving people like they say they are.
Comment by Laughing — August 10, 2011 @ 1:38 pm
Shouldnt the christians be to busy with altar boys to make death threats, so unchristianlike…
Comment by Bob — August 10, 2011 @ 1:50 pm
The only agenda that atheists have is to maintain a separation of church and state. If you want to put a cross in our home or on your desk at work that's fine…..we just don't want our taxes being put to a religious memorial or our government endorsing religion. Religion is a personal matter and it needs to remain that way. Keep it out of our governments and public schools because it doesn't represent everyone.
I'm sorry that you are too self involved to understand that.
As for us being hypocrites and enjoying a worldview born of religion…I say that the only person being sanctimonious is YOU. As I have said in my previous post, the acceptance of gods and their dogmas does not guarantee goodness. If you believe this then you need to review your history lessons because then you will notice that periods which were shrouded in religious superstition were the most bloody and barbaric.This was referred to as the Dark Ages, and rightfully so.
However during and after the Age of Reason when man began to question religion and it's place in government and began to turn to science and logic for answers did mankind evolve by leaps and bounds into the society that we have today.
If that's not enough look at today. Explain to me how it is that the most violent, backwards regions on the globe also have the heaviest concentration of religious attitudes to the extreme that religion is still included in their government.
I think it really cute that you tried to throw out all of your fancy ten dollar words to make a pointless point, btw. E for effort.
Comment by Jenn Sexton — August 10, 2011 @ 2:08 pm
Sounds like the Christians want to kill me in the same way. Bring on the Crusades!
Comment by Non-believer — August 10, 2011 @ 2:12 pm
Will killing atheist fix the worlds real problems? Will believing god exist make all our problems go away? Is it not justice, mercy and grace? Is it not love that contains the power to change the world? If Christ lives he does not need over zealous followers to defend him. Jesus teachings had nothing to do with heaven but everything to do with now. Love is here, love is now. Why does it matter if god is real if it doesn't change us and the world for the better? I reject the god these people believe in and embrace Jesus the anointed one. My god needs no defense. My elohim is the substance of love.
Comment by Alex Portillo — August 10, 2011 @ 2:12 pm
The same can be said for all those Christian comments if they were to act on them.
Comment by Non-believer — August 10, 2011 @ 2:13 pm
Why would we put up a crucifix at the 9/11 site? Common Sense people! If you want America to be free of religious favoritism, you can't go putting a cross everywhere! Even practical non-Atheist American can see that writing on the wall. Non-Christians were killed in the 9/11 tragedy as well. The cross does NOT represent all Americans. Our flag does.
Comment by Elizabeth — August 10, 2011 @ 2:14 pm
Christians had the Crusades though. Pretty gosh darn blood thirsty if I do say so myself
Comment by No soul — August 10, 2011 @ 2:17 pm
Sindy Clock is still active, and she answers messages. I've exchanged a few with her and the responses are short but just as hateful and pure evil as the one above. She's a Westboro Baptist – that explains a lot…
Comment by JTex — August 10, 2011 @ 2:51 pm
These pious christians are in complete agreement with their scripture; they are only following the biblical mandate to kill nonbelievers.
Comment by Gudelos — August 10, 2011 @ 2:57 pm
And if you grow up with a Christian father that taught that rape and murder is sanctioned by God, and that in fact you were obligated to do so, then what? Isn't this kind of religious inspired hatred taught to children by religion the real reason we had people willing to die driving planes into buildings? I just don't see atheists teaching hate, but I do see the religious doing so – Fred Phelps for example. Finally – all moral law is man made. Your Bible or Koran were written by fallible, quite possibly delusional men. The ten commandments were simply the moral norms of the region – documented before the Bible was written, and before Moses left Egypt.
Comment by Peter Harrison — August 10, 2011 @ 2:59 pm
By the power of Christ die! Immoral athiests scum!
Comment by J.C. — August 10, 2011 @ 3:35 pm
way to turn the other cheek… and you wonder why we atheist exist? fox news=hate
Comment by anonpunk — August 10, 2011 @ 3:38 pm
but it's ok for YOU to tell ME that there is little hope for me because of what I believe in? maybe I think there is little hope for you because you DON'T believe. therein lies the problem. Everybody believes and thinks something different, so we all should just shut up and go about our own business and stop caring what others think and/or believe
Comment by Rebecca — August 10, 2011 @ 4:06 pm
kil them all and let god sort them out!! thats what we did in iraq and trust me they got the message
Comment by jd meres — August 10, 2011 @ 4:31 pm
Why weren't the atheists arguing for the "cross" to be taken down from its pedestal in October 2001, as the remains of 3,000 victims were being removed daily from the rubble around it? Whether you belive in what these two steel beams have come to symbolize or not, they gave hope and comfort to the victims' families, the relief workers and the citizens of NY (me included) at a time of tremendous grief and pain; in the process, they became a permanent part of this tragic event's history and narrative, and that alone is the reason why it is relevant and acceptable for display in the 9-11 Memorial Museum (that's right, MUSEUM), regardless of personal feelings and beliefs.
Comment by NeitherSideisRight — August 10, 2011 @ 4:38 pm
People like you restore my faith in humanity. Being as how I'm of an undefined religion… The kind that doesn't stick to specifics, but rather good nature, and idea that right and wrong is defined in our collective unconscious. God, in my opinion, like all "higher powers" is simply this intangible energy, driven by human interaction. Atheists pass it off as supernatural and silly because it can't be measured by science, but anyone with a spiritual mind can sense it. It's how, despite the differences in the style of it's practice, there is religion all over the globe. It has been practiced for thousands of years. Looking at it anthropologically, anything that's been found all over the world and all over the course of human history, there has to be some merit to it. Even if science has yet to be able to measure it.
Comment by Susan Brooks — August 10, 2011 @ 5:08 pm
Yes, all three of the world's religions should be represented!
Comment by Guest — August 10, 2011 @ 5:36 pm
How is it equal!? The worst any comment above has expressed is "Christians" being idiots or hypocrites. How that is equal to death treats and murderous sentiments is beyond me. Next time someone calls you an idiot kill them. See if the courts think they are equal offenses.
Comment by Cory — August 10, 2011 @ 7:35 pm
Matthew 5:18
Comment by Seamus Ruah — August 10, 2011 @ 8:04 pm
Tone Troll
Comment by Seamus Ruah — August 10, 2011 @ 8:05 pm
I think you were meaning to write "wouldn't" but unconcious irony wouldn't allow you to.
Try reading up on the logical fallicy called "No True Scottsman."
Comment by Seamus Ruah — August 10, 2011 @ 8:09 pm
Don't be taken in. These were all trolls, trying to smear Christians, so they could shove their bigoted anti-Christian agenda down our throats, against the steel beam cross in the 9/11 memorial. Try looking them up on FB. They are as phoney as $3 bills.
Comment by suzcorner — August 11, 2011 @ 12:11 pm
The separation of church and state was not intended to protect our fragile, fragile psyches from encounters with religious symbols we don't like. The separation of church and state was intended to protect us from theocratic government, i.e. from government mandated religion. One's religion, or one's religious views are not the government's business. Forcing your religion or religious views, including atheism, on the rest of us by any sort of legislation is not allowed, by virtue of the separation between church and state. it has nothing to do with placing a Christian symbol. or any other religious symbol, at a public memorial. This simply is not an issue of the separation of church and state. It's just two groups of people with opposing views getting nuts.
Atheists, make up your own symbol and post it everywhere instead of harassing people of whatever faith they are. Christians, get a grip on yourselves and stop behaving like Pontius Pilate. Christ would never have behaved the way you are behaving now. Time to go back to Sunday School and relearn your lessons.
Comment by Preacher's Kid — August 11, 2011 @ 2:13 pm
A couple of problems.
Your head of state isn't actually a head of state. And she isn't actually the head, but the nominal head, of the Anglican Church.
Last I looked, News Corp.'s home was London. Certainly GB's tabloids have nothing on America's.
As to separation of church and state in this narrow instance, the site of the former World Trade Center is owned by a welter of government agencies. It is leased by private companies. It's not really even clear yet whether the government has a legal say.
That said, I don't think any religious symbol belongs there.
Comment by Aloha Bobby — August 11, 2011 @ 9:01 pm
As Patti Smith said, "Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not mine."
Comment by Siouxsie — August 11, 2011 @ 9:13 pm
…I was raised as a Catholic, but I can't remember a single moment when I actually believed in it…
But it's generally true.
Especially if you live in an area where that religion is prevalent.
Then it sort of becomes something you believe in to fit in.
Comment by Diana — August 11, 2011 @ 11:38 pm
Where are the WISE when you need them?? The cross may be an important religious symbol for too many people. However, is it a righteous Biblical one??
Actually, if you decide to study into it, you may be very surprised!!
Please check the Greek Diaglott for Revelation 13:18 (Free on Web.) The #666 in the Greek has three symbols that roughly translate into the name Cristos Zeus. One of these symbols is a cross (X as in Xmas!) Over the centuries, this name has morphed into the name "Jesus Christ". This is the name of of the image (idol) of the beast power (The Vatican).
Comment by Jayna Dinnyes — August 11, 2011 @ 11:54 pm
The Roman Catholic Church is only a part of The Vatican. The cross of Jesus Christ is its most important symbol and has been since the Third Century A.D. This is when Constatine the Great had a vision of a cross and was told to conquer with it. Down through the ages, it has been used as an excuse for killing many innocents. I am not surprised that those who love it so much express a desire to kill those who are against it. This is not the result of a righteous symbol!
Comment by Jayna Dinnyes — August 12, 2011 @ 12:01 am
Yes, the cross is a religious symbol for many people on earth.
However, we should ask ourselves , "Is it a righteous one?" Yahshua said, "By their fruits you shall know them." What have been the fruits of cross veneration?? Let's see. There were the Crusades (Cross campaigns) in the Middle East in early ages. The cross of Spanish Royals who kicked out the Jews or killed them in 1492. The cross seems to be a great weapon indeed!
Comment by Jayna Dinnyes — August 12, 2011 @ 12:08 am
Lots of cross dealing in the Middle Ages with pograms not only against Jews but also many Protestants who would not tolerate a pagan cross. IMAGINE THAT! This culminated in the 1930's with Adolph Hitler and his swastika (A cross, albeit a crooked one!) Many, many crosses! The hammer and sickle of The Soviet Union. the peace symbol (A cross!) W Bush's Christian cross and saying his faviorite hero is Jesus Christ! WHAT GIVES???
Comment by Jayna Dinnyes — August 12, 2011 @ 12:15 am
Here is wisdom! In the Greek Diaglott for Revelation 13: 18 (Free on Web) the #666 is also a name. The three symbols translate roughly into the name Cristos Zeus and one of these symbols is a cross (X as in Xmas!) Over the centuries this name has morphed into the English name "Jesus Christ". This is the name of the image (idol) and the mark of the beast (power), The Vatican. Martial Law will mean "The Mark of the Beast". Get rid of these and don't take them! Yahshua is returning SOON and no New World Order can stop Him! HalleluYah! (Means "Praise ye Yah" in Hebrew.)
Comment by Jayna Dinnyes — August 12, 2011 @ 12:36 am
Don't let Americans into your country or they kill everybody; civilians and soldiers alike?
Comment by Mr Green — August 12, 2011 @ 10:49 am
Probably not. I'd rather know if someone I'm dealing with is completely irrational so that I may avoid them.
Comment by AJV — August 12, 2011 @ 10:57 am
Dude, while it's true that Great Britain has a long history of empire building or colonialism, whatever you want to call it, get your history straight. The Brits weren't responsible for South African apartheid, the Dutch were. the Boers, who were in South Africa before the Brits. And god, if you're going to complain, complain about one thing fully, not a bunch of little things in a very half-assed way.
Comment by Jeri Jo Thomas — August 12, 2011 @ 11:35 am
SHOOT TO KILL. errr i mean, damned peer pressure…
Comment by Patches Sitty — August 12, 2011 @ 11:51 am
Religion is a delusion. People are offended by atheists because reality cannot intrude on religious fantasy.
Religion is trickery, superstition, and shame. It is also divisive. Most who believe in this nonsense were brainwashed into it as children. Religion was created to control people. People die every day for causes.
There is nothing significant about jesus' death, mostly because he's imaginary.
If some insist on displaying that cross at Ground Zero, then also add a plaque with the words, "god is great",
you know, the last words of the men who flew those planes into the buildings.
We are in a New Age. We are coming to realize that much of what we've been taught is a lie.
Comment by guest — August 12, 2011 @ 12:14 pm
These threats seem like acts of terrorism to me. Why hasnt homeland security been knocking on there doors and arresting these people. They are no better than the Muslim extremests who kill in the name of Allah
Comment by Tony Cashman — August 12, 2011 @ 12:21 pm
It is important to realize that "christians" are capable of bringing hell on earth, rather than heaven. Religion
wears a cloak of "love", but is really often about hate. Just your usual wolf-in-sheep's- clothing. This helps
explain the thousands of murderous threats.
The cross is a simplified version of a crucifix. A crucifix is a voodoo doll, if you think about it.
Religion is a word game, tricking you. "Prophet" means "Profit", "pray" means "prey", your "souls" are on the
bottom of your feet, "soles". Don't buy bull!
Comment by Guest — August 12, 2011 @ 12:30 pm
Where is the actual screenshot?
Comment by me_P01 — August 12, 2011 @ 3:34 pm
Just imagine how many death threats the guy who figured this out receives.
Osama Obama Biden Bin Laden
One coincidence? Two coincidences?
NO COINCIDENCE
A military coup d'etat began in 2008 with the introduction of Sarah Palin as John McCain’s running mate.
Obama is not the president, he’s the acting president. He disappeared for 2 weeks after his election win only to reappear looking exhausted sitting next to John McCain, with a bad poker face, for a press photo shoot. Obama is now a Pentagon puppet. Who did you think writes his teleprompter?
This is the real story that the media is not and cannot report on. Here’s what Obama, Osama, Biden, Bin Laden, the FBI’s Most Wanted Terrorists, and Sarah Palin had to do with the last election and the military’s overthrow of our government.
http://ElectNoMoreSpys.blogspot.com/
Comment by Ciuba Abdul — August 12, 2011 @ 3:37 pm
Lol… That "Sindy Clock" says that she's religious and her facebook username is "Hope you get raped".
Well… raping is what clerks do, so I guess it's just correct.
Comment by Esteban — August 12, 2011 @ 3:40 pm
Perhaps this why Americans have such a bad reputation worldwide.
Thanks for that, JD
Comment by M_M — August 12, 2011 @ 3:44 pm
So its okay for a christian to threaten death and cause violence on others because someone is different than they are in belief or lack of? Wow that in itself says enough for me why I loathe religion! So much for a having a constitution and a so called right to think for themselves. Sounds like Fascism to me not peace. This country was not based on Christianity. Pick up a book and read!
Comment by Chris Cannella — August 12, 2011 @ 3:44 pm
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…" – John Adams, treaty of Tripoli
Comment by Chris Cannella — August 12, 2011 @ 3:44 pm
Isnt against some law To threaten death On-line? Cant they trace the ip of these people?
Comment by defiant — August 12, 2011 @ 3:48 pm
You just proved the point. God will be judging you. And we wonder why religious and crazy seem to go together.
Comment by just_brian — August 12, 2011 @ 3:51 pm
Those posts don't look very credible to me. Something is fishy
Comment by David A Fenton — August 12, 2011 @ 4:12 pm
"Satanic"? You're giving them way too much fantasy-world credit. How about just plain old real-world "stupid"?
Comment by Ian K. Shields — August 12, 2011 @ 4:20 pm
Aethiests of course, believe in many tangible things. What they tend not to believe are things they see as ficticious and unverifiable. I think that knowing the difference between a fantasy and a fact is an important part of being an adult in this world.
Comment by johnny — August 12, 2011 @ 4:20 pm
I haven't seen any atheists calling for any deaths of Christians, and I'm halfway through the hundreds of comments. Not 'zactly equal.
Comment by johnny — August 12, 2011 @ 4:22 pm
Christian Love is such an awesome site to behold.
Comment by Mikee — August 12, 2011 @ 4:27 pm
Most Atheists don't try to disprove the existence of god. They just choose not to incorporate "faith" in into their belief systems. christianity demands that you believe in something that is unknowable. Atheists tend to reject that leap of "faith," not prove that something doesn't exist.
Comment by johnny — August 12, 2011 @ 4:28 pm
Here it is. There is as much about NOT restricting religion, as not creating laws endorsing a govt religion. IE: Church of England.
Complete absence of religion is obviously NOT the intention of the writers. More was to protect religiosity, rather than suppress it as is happening now.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Comment by Bill — August 12, 2011 @ 4:29 pm
You are pretty much an idiot
Comment by dave — August 12, 2011 @ 4:30 pm
Would you have the same feelings about it if the steel beams were in the shape of a Hindu goddess?
Comment by Ian K. Shields — August 12, 2011 @ 4:37 pm
I am a christian, so I can appreciate why the organization would like to erect a cross at ground zero. However, I think that it is a little close minded. There are so many people that were affected by the 9/11 attacks – people from all walks of life, people from all faiths. If I happened to die in a muslim country and they erected a religious memorial in honor of my death that was not my religion, who are they truly honoring? Me or their own belief/faith?
I think it should be less about religion and more about respect. The fact is – not everyone is a christian, and our country has moved away from tolerating that attitude. Whether you like it or not.
Comment by Stephanie Roberman Ewell — August 12, 2011 @ 4:39 pm
Most of those who died were Americans. Many were Christian, but many were not. Why do we need to remember those who died with a random religious symbol, not neccessarily tied to who they were?
Comment by johnny — August 12, 2011 @ 4:44 pm
A cross of steel was left in a damaged steel framed building? Imagine the odds!
Comment by johnny — August 12, 2011 @ 5:01 pm
Eight thousand death threats? Something sounds fishy with this number to me. I’m not saying there are not some crazy bible-thumpers out there, but 8,000 seems mighty high–almost as though someone might have planted many of the responses. Or fudged the numbers. Fox and Facebook might want to find out exactly who the posters were rather than just accept that they are real. I just can’t imagine REAL Christians doing such a thing.
Comment by Duncan — August 12, 2011 @ 5:02 pm
It's philosophies like this that make people disillusioned with Christianity and organized religion in general. I'm ashamed of these so-called Christians. They are awful and clearly don't practice the tolerance that is the basic tenant of Jesus's teachings. What they should do is either put symbols up representing the faiths of ALL the people who died in the towers (i.e. a cross, a star of David, a star and crescent moon, yin and yang, a Dharma wheel, etc.) or have NO symbols. The United States is NOT a Christian country (as is made clear in the First Amendment of the Constitution) and Christians were not the only ones to die in the attacks. There is no reason why the faith of some should be recognized and the faiths or beliefs of others ignored. It's either all or none. I'm sure these "Christians" would be all up in arms if they were going to put a star of David on the World Trade Center Memorial and ignore those Christians that died. Save the cross for a Christian World Trade Center Memorial.
Comment by bob — August 12, 2011 @ 5:24 pm
They should allow the cross to be erected along with the Jewish Star as well.Death threats however are not things that godd christians do or any other faith should be doing.If they allowe a mosque to be buil in the vicinity of ground zero whih is something I still have a major problem with then they should have no problem with them erecting a crucifex
Comment by Charles Queen — August 12, 2011 @ 5:31 pm
I believe some Muslims attempted to build a mosque near Ground Zero a few years ago and were denied.
Comment by Steve — August 12, 2011 @ 5:33 pm
And they call themselves " catholic " and " christian"? Nice :/
Comment by shadester — August 12, 2011 @ 5:34 pm
So the atheist goes to court and gets his day. He is sworn in and states "I swear to to the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me this hand rail". What a silly argument. The protest these atheists laud causes the very same symptoms and to a greater extent in the Christians they offend. The argument against the display is untenable.
Comment by Reasonable Believer — August 12, 2011 @ 5:38 pm
So am I to understand because I don't believe in "God" I should be shot and killed?
Comment by TJB — August 12, 2011 @ 5:40 pm
The worst human evil throughout history has been perpetuated by those claiming to act on behalf of God.
Comment by Objectivity — August 12, 2011 @ 5:55 pm
What if all of the comments were not from Christians, but in reality are from people posing as Christians to inspire a backlash that supports the court case?
Don't believe everything you read or hear about on the internet. Don't allow youself to be manipulated. Nothing in any of the posts, backs up the claim of the Christianity. You are judged by your words and actions, not just a title
Comment by Tom — August 12, 2011 @ 6:00 pm
The people who have made those threats are NOT Christians; despite what they may tell themselves.
Comment by EdBarnett — August 12, 2011 @ 6:05 pm
The "symbol of hope for many" survived the attacks on the U.S. at the World Trade Center buildings, attacks that were coordinated with other crashes extending over three of our United States: New York and Pennsylvania and Virginia. The events of 9/11 affected people throughout the States.
Consider The Star Spangled Banner: it is a song about a surviving symbol of hope. How might people feel if the historic star-spangled were endangered?
Suppose the symbol had been a still-standing section of blank wall where people gathered and gave and received hope and comfort. Would that be candidate for preservation in a museum or memorial? Would one be surprised if an attack on that symbol would stir up emotions?
Consider another historic artifact: the Berlin Wall. Why are there segments of it displayed at various locations throughout the world?
Perhaps it is too easy for one to perceive the lawsuit requesting the removal of the physical symbol as an attack on the symbol, and perhaps it is too easy also to perceive it as an attack on the "hope for many" that the symbol is said to represent. Such a perception might even stir up feelings about the 9/11 attacks and enjoin them to feelings for those presenting the lawsuit.
This does not excuse the venemous reactive postings, but it may help explain some of the all-too human feelings behind them.
Comment by juxtaposer — August 12, 2011 @ 6:18 pm
What do you expect from a fledgling theocracy? Does anyone else see the patent similarity between these hate-filled, rambling and moronic death threats and those that Middle Eastern terrorists hurl at the USA? They're one and the same mind set . . . bring on Perry/Bachmann/Palin/whoever the hell else had "God" tell them to run! These idiots will get right behind them!
Comment by Edward Norton — August 12, 2011 @ 6:27 pm
What do you expect from a fledgling theocracy? Does anyone else see the patent similarity between these hate-filled, rambling and moronic death threats and those that Middle Eastern terrorists hurl at the USA? They're one and the same mind set . . . bring on Perry/Bachmann/Palin/whoever the hell else had "God" tell them to run! These idiots will get right behind them! KILL KILL KILL, but we're not terrorists!
Comment by Edward Norton — August 12, 2011 @ 6:55 pm
But they do claim to be Christians, and as far as I can see, they have as much claim to the title as Christians who insist on public displays of religion (Matthew 6:5, 6). If we deny them Christianhood because they transgress a commandment, what do we do with every TV preacher who refuses to confine his or her prayer to private quarters?
Comment by ChurchofReason — August 12, 2011 @ 10:28 pm
Why do we need to respect the beliefs of the dead? Can't we just respect that thousands of innocent humans died without reference what ideology they believed in? We all share the fact that we are the most highly evolved species on this tiny blue dot floating through space and all everyone wants to do is draw imaginary lines between us.
Comment by Justin — August 13, 2011 @ 3:19 am
The rhetoric is starting to sound like the rhetoric that led up to the Rwanda genocide. The media, particularly talk radio, wound the Hutu up so tight, by drumming it in that the Tutsi wanted to enslave the Hutu. There was also a constant dehumanizing of the Tutsi.
Very similar to what we're seeing today with the extremist right wing media. Constantly drumming it in that the liberals/progressives want to put the conservatives under a communist/marxist/socialist/(insert random political/economic philosophy here), take away all of their money, give it to other people. I hear labels like "libtards" and others that can't be posted here. Everyone to the left of the extreme right is an enemy, and it's pounded into peoples ears and eyes 24/7 on the radio and TV. 8000 death threats on Fox's FB page is way too many. It shows how quickly this continued polarization could get out of hand. It also displays the kind of pent up anger that led to hundreds of thousands of people being hacked to death at close range.
Comment by Obb — August 13, 2011 @ 1:59 pm
why not erect a star of david or the cresent moon? why just a cross?
Comment by Jay — August 14, 2011 @ 7:31 pm
I personally believe this kind of vitriolic hatred towards Atheists, is clearly proof that these so called "Christians" have not read anything of the New Testament. They've obviously taken advice from the Old Testament, for which they have no right to call themselves Christian!
"To most Christians, the Bible is like a software license. Nobody actually reads it. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree." __
Comment by @GerzLewis — August 15, 2011 @ 11:35 am
It's Fox,the most illiterate,ignorant, uneducated viewer base on the planet. Why is anyone suprised? Have you ever gone to Fox's website and read the comments? These people are neanderthals stuck in another century.
Comment by NURREDIN — August 15, 2011 @ 8:43 pm
Agreed. To threaten someone with murder because they don't believe in God shows that your faith is suspect. No true Christian would suggest killing someone because they are Atheists. I grew up Christian, but the people who flaunt this label are so vile and wicked I refuse to label myself as one. Jesus has some horrible "followers".
Comment by alicam — August 15, 2011 @ 10:40 pm
Many of these fundamentalist nuts that want to kill atheists think that we hate them because of their religion beliefs. This is not true. We just say there is no proof for a belief in a god that listens and responds to prayer or need, what happens is just goverened by conditions and maybe luck (bad or good). What we do rail against is the pushing of religion into the government sphere where it becomes government speach. The ability to believe in religious teachings (myths) or not believe is only ashured by preventing government from sponsoring or promoting any one of them. This principle must be upheld even if it pisses off those who think they have the only true way. Placing a cross or 10 commandments at a government owned site is wrong even if the monument is paid for by private parties. It is good to see many reasoned responses here.
Comment by Babble — August 16, 2011 @ 12:35 pm
The day God dies, they day all your gods die is when man will transcend, and we shall truly be free.
Comment by Frankie — August 17, 2011 @ 3:53 pm
IMO, If one religion is going to be displayed ALL religions need to be displayed. We could get an oversized "COEXIST" bumper sticker to slap on the facade. It is unAmerican in principle to exclude one at the cost of another, but in practice that does seem to be what we Americans ARE best at.
Comment by Kayla Fisher — August 17, 2011 @ 5:23 pm
Oh, that's old testament stuff, like don't eat shrimp and don't get tattoos. Christians ignore those inconveniences.
Comment by Atheist Vet — August 17, 2011 @ 5:48 pm
Its hard to believe that simply not believeing in a 'Creator' can inspire such hatred. You'd think they were insulting their mothers or something.
Not very Christ-like if you ask me.
Comment by Dave — August 19, 2011 @ 11:37 pm
No True Scotsman would be applicable except for the fact that it's not scripturally accurate. James 2:19 says "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder." The rest of the chapter talks about how faith alone is not enough, and without actions, faith is useless.
Comment by Clae — August 23, 2011 @ 2:58 pm
Insinuating that atheists have never done anything wrong.
Comment by Clae — August 23, 2011 @ 3:00 pm
Actually, when it comes to Christianity, No True Scotsman is total bullshit. Read James 2, specifically verse 19. Faith alone is not enough to make a man a Christian, as even the demons believe and tremble. Your lifestyle must match your beliefs.
Comment by Clae — August 23, 2011 @ 3:10 pm
Post a bullshit, incendiary first half, and then something that is so stupid obvious that the modern dumbass can't find anything to disagree with it on for the second half, watch the thumbs pour in and then say "See? Everyone agrees with me that Christians are stupid and evil." I . . . I think I hate people like you.
Comment by Clae — August 23, 2011 @ 3:14 pm
Talking points. Talking points. Incendiary comment. Talking point. Atheistic insult.
I hope to God you are a troll and not really that much of a dumbass.
Comment by Clae — August 23, 2011 @ 3:19 pm
6/10 mildly effective troll was mildly effective
Comment by Clae — August 23, 2011 @ 3:23 pm
I think you mean "cleric"
Comment by Clae — August 23, 2011 @ 3:30 pm
Amen brutha
Comment by Joe — August 29, 2011 @ 12:17 am
religion and patriotism are both just divide humanity. There is no "co-exist". There is no "God bless America". It's just US.
Comment by Joe — August 29, 2011 @ 12:20 am
stupid fucking christians.
Comment by Dave, Ireland. — August 29, 2011 @ 12:24 am
http://youtu.be/Pqt-q2E9J4w You obviously know nothing about islam. Read the last half of the koran (it superceeds the first half). It is nothing but a cancer on the earth and if a cross goes up they will be in court hollering discrimination and their swastica (crescent and star) will be erected at the scene of THEIR crime.
Comment by Tim Hefner — August 29, 2011 @ 12:53 am
Umm, just saying one accepts does not a Crhistian make. You're invalidating you're own argument. In order to accept Jesus into one's heart is to practice His beliefs, his teachings. By not doing this, one is not a Christian. Jesus was not a Christian, though, which most tend to forget. He was a Jew, but He taught that one shouldn't follow blindly, they should think and question, because that is a sign of true Faith. I, personally, don't claim a true religion, any longer, but I do believe in His words, I believe him to have been a wonderful being, human or otherwise, I am not positive. However, he had a big heart and loved his fellow man and that is the most important part. This is what these so called bible-thumpers fail to be, so, no, they are not true Christians. Christians learn of the Old Testament, but the New Testament teaches something new, a more forgiving, loving God. This is the part the Christians are to follow.
Comment by Maria — August 29, 2011 @ 1:46 am
Just saying one accepts does not a Crhistian make. You're invalidating you're own argument. In order to accept Jesus into one's heart is to practice His beliefs, his teachings. By not doing this, one is not a Christian. Jesus was not a Christian, though, which most tend to forget. He was a Jew, but He taught that one shouldn't follow blindly, they should think and question, because that is a sign of true Faith. I, personally, don't claim a true religion, any longer, but I do believe in His words, I believe him to have been a wonderful being, human or otherwise, I am not positive. However, he had a big heart and loved his fellow man and that is the most important part. This is what these so called bible-thumpers fail to be, so, no, they are not true Christians. Christians learn of the Old Testament, but the New Testament teaches something new, a more forgiving, loving God. This is the part the Christians are to follow.
Comment by Maria — August 29, 2011 @ 1:52 am
One has to admire the actual numbers. 15 or 16% of the population in the USA profess no religion whatsoever, which should bring the number of outright agnostics and atheists right up alongside the number of Christians. To add to their misery, they are bleeding members at 1,000,000 or so annually, and if they keep up this kind of idiocy, the rate might accelerate – which certainly adds to the ranks of the unbelievers. Now just imagine declaring death to 45 or 46 million American Citizens, and you have a pretty good picture of how far the lunacy extends. Atheists have a greater majority than Jews, Mormons and Muslims – and have no intention of standing in the way of anyone who wants to worship their god, or a bottle cap
Comment by Howard Vaudry — August 29, 2011 @ 2:50 pm
Two words for everybody: Chill. Out. Who really gives two shits if there's a cross or not? Let people of any faith (or lack of) build memorials there in whatever way they want to. Christians, Muslims, Athiests, whoever else – many different kinds of people of many different faiths all died that day. They should all have their own places and ways to honor loved ones.
Sometimes the best way to care is to care less.
Comment by Virgie — September 8, 2011 @ 12:19 pm
A "pointless point" describes you post perfectly – and what you describe as "fancy ten dollar words" is my normal vocabulary. Maybe you should pick up a dictionary since my words obviously confused you? Thanks for trying though – Next!
Comment by Matthew Stone — October 13, 2011 @ 1:33 pm
no one does hypocrisy better than christians
Comment by salvador — October 14, 2011 @ 11:51 pm
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Comment by Ashley — October 31, 2011 @ 10:59 pm
Personally I am a Buddhist, but living in the south for many years, I was turned away from Christianity by people who would harass me or threaten me because I didn't believe like them. I have received death threats by people claiming I'm going to hell or wishing death on myself or my family and It never made me want to become one. I honestly would have no problem with what one person here recommended….having a Portrait or statue of a Fireman at the memorial. I think it would remind us all of the sacrifices that were made by our brave heroes to save those who were trapped.
Comment by VincentValentine — November 7, 2011 @ 9:34 pm
No one said they were. As an atheist, I honestly believe that absolutely no one on Earth deserves to be killed for their personal belief systems, nor do they deserve threats to that effect. I'll fight to keep government, scientific progress, and the education system secular, but you can believe whatever you want to believe, as long as it does not hinder the lives of others or encourage discrimination and hatred, and I will never threaten you. I'm certain there are plenty of other Atheists and Theists who will agree to that.
Comment by jtrieb — January 28, 2012 @ 10:14 pm
Why do you think that for over a thousand years they have been trying to document the life of christ?
They can't.
Comment by bobzaguy — February 1, 2012 @ 9:07 pm
Why a mortal sin?
Comment by bobzaguy — February 1, 2012 @ 9:10 pm