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	<title>Comments on: Facebook Beacon Drama Ceases to End</title>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brazell</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/12/facebook-beacon-drama-ceases-to-end/#comment-5610</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, it's really simple. Companies CANNOT send data without user consent. It's that simple. Read my post the other day on privacy policies of these partner companies.

The only way to get user consent is to have the PARTNERS request information (e.g. email address used on FB, account username/password on FB, etc) of users. This is also defacto opt-in on the Partner side.

Apps request permission to access the profiles. The same should be the case of Beacon partners. 

There really is no gray area here. It's very clearly defined what is acceptable and what is not and the precedent that is acceptable for this kind of program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, it&#8217;s really simple. Companies CANNOT send data without user consent. It&#8217;s that simple. Read my post the other day on privacy policies of these partner companies.</p>
<p>The only way to get user consent is to have the PARTNERS request information (e.g. email address used on FB, account username/password on FB, etc) of users. This is also defacto opt-in on the Partner side.</p>
<p>Apps request permission to access the profiles. The same should be the case of Beacon partners. </p>
<p>There really is no gray area here. It&#8217;s very clearly defined what is acceptable and what is not and the precedent that is acceptable for this kind of program.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brazell</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/12/facebook-beacon-drama-ceases-to-end/#comment-12477</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, it's really simple. Companies CANNOT send data without user consent. It's that simple. Read my post the other day on privacy policies of these partner companies.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The only way to get user consent is to have the PARTNERS request information (e.g. email address used on FB, account username/password on FB, etc) of users. This is also defacto opt-in on the Partner side.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Apps request permission to access the profiles. The same should be the case of Beacon partners. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There really is no gray area here. It's very clearly defined what is acceptable and what is not and the precedent that is acceptable for this kind of program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, it&#8217;s really simple. Companies CANNOT send data without user consent. It&#8217;s that simple. Read my post the other day on privacy policies of these partner companies.</p>
<p>The only way to get user consent is to have the PARTNERS request information (e.g. email address used on FB, account username/password on FB, etc) of users. This is also defacto opt-in on the Partner side.</p>
<p>Apps request permission to access the profiles. The same should be the case of Beacon partners. </p>
<p>There really is no gray area here. It&#8217;s very clearly defined what is acceptable and what is not and the precedent that is acceptable for this kind of program.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/12/facebook-beacon-drama-ceases-to-end/#comment-5492</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 00:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the difference between Beacon and Google Adsense is that Google doesn't have access to all of the data.  I might be wrong, but I think Adsense tracks with cookies and keywords; that's a lot different than sending data from one site to another.

Scoble also makes an outstanding point: Facebook has not responded, apologized or explained themselves, which seems to tell the userbase that FB just doesn't care what they think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the difference between Beacon and Google Adsense is that Google doesn&#8217;t have access to all of the data.  I might be wrong, but I think Adsense tracks with cookies and keywords; that&#8217;s a lot different than sending data from one site to another.</p>
<p>Scoble also makes an outstanding point: Facebook has not responded, apologized or explained themselves, which seems to tell the userbase that FB just doesn&#8217;t care what they think.</p>
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		<title>By: Facebook Beacon Drama Ceases to End</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/12/facebook-beacon-drama-ceases-to-end/#comment-5490</link>
		<dc:creator>Facebook Beacon Drama Ceases to End</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/12/facebook-beacon-drama-ceases-to-end/#comment-12476</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the difference between Beacon and Google Adsense is that Google doesn't have access to all of the data.  I might be wrong, but I think Adsense tracks with cookies and keywords; that's a lot different than sending data from one site to another.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Scoble also makes an outstanding point: Facebook has not responded, apologized or explained themselves, which seems to tell the userbase that FB just doesn't care what they think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the difference between Beacon and Google Adsense is that Google doesn&#8217;t have access to all of the data.  I might be wrong, but I think Adsense tracks with cookies and keywords; that&#8217;s a lot different than sending data from one site to another.</p>
<p>Scoble also makes an outstanding point: Facebook has not responded, apologized or explained themselves, which seems to tell the userbase that FB just doesn&#8217;t care what they think.</p>
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		<title>By: PR 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/12/facebook-beacon-drama-ceases-to-end/#comment-5475</link>
		<dc:creator>PR 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Facebook is a Beacon for Bad PR...&lt;/strong&gt;

The social network is experiencing a mini meltdown and has many fans, users, and advertisers pulling an ?about face.?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Facebook is a Beacon for Bad PR&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The social network is experiencing a mini meltdown and has many fans, users, and advertisers pulling an ?about face.?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Scoble</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/12/facebook-beacon-drama-ceases-to-end/#comment-5474</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Scoble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not going away because Facebook has treated so many people so arrogantly that they lost their trust of the service. The fact that Zuckerberg hasn't talked to any journalist about this issue demonstrates that Facebook's PR really sucks. They need to get Zuckerberg out in front of people like you and answer all questions in face-to-face interviews. It's totally amazing to me that they haven't yet done that. Makes Facebook seem totally aloof and/or sends gestures to all of us that Zuckerberg isn't the wonderkind we all thought he was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not going away because Facebook has treated so many people so arrogantly that they lost their trust of the service. The fact that Zuckerberg hasn&#8217;t talked to any journalist about this issue demonstrates that Facebook&#8217;s PR really sucks. They need to get Zuckerberg out in front of people like you and answer all questions in face-to-face interviews. It&#8217;s totally amazing to me that they haven&#8217;t yet done that. Makes Facebook seem totally aloof and/or sends gestures to all of us that Zuckerberg isn&#8217;t the wonderkind we all thought he was.</p>
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		<title>By: PR 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/12/facebook-beacon-drama-ceases-to-end/#comment-12475</link>
		<dc:creator>PR 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/12/facebook-beacon-drama-ceases-to-end/#comment-12475</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Facebook is a Beacon for Bad PR...&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The social network is experiencing a mini meltdown and has many fans, users, and advertisers pulling an ?about face.?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Facebook is a Beacon for Bad PR&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The social network is experiencing a mini meltdown and has many fans, users, and advertisers pulling an ?about face.?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Scoble</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/12/facebook-beacon-drama-ceases-to-end/#comment-12474</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Scoble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not going away because Facebook has treated so many people so arrogantly that they lost their trust of the service. The fact that Zuckerberg hasn't talked to any journalist about this issue demonstrates that Facebook's PR really sucks. They need to get Zuckerberg out in front of people like you and answer all questions in face-to-face interviews. It's totally amazing to me that they haven't yet done that. Makes Facebook seem totally aloof and/or sends gestures to all of us that Zuckerberg isn't the wonderkind we all thought he was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not going away because Facebook has treated so many people so arrogantly that they lost their trust of the service. The fact that Zuckerberg hasn&#8217;t talked to any journalist about this issue demonstrates that Facebook&#8217;s PR really sucks. They need to get Zuckerberg out in front of people like you and answer all questions in face-to-face interviews. It&#8217;s totally amazing to me that they haven&#8217;t yet done that. Makes Facebook seem totally aloof and/or sends gestures to all of us that Zuckerberg isn&#8217;t the wonderkind we all thought he was.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Trenn</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/12/facebook-beacon-drama-ceases-to-end/#comment-5468</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Trenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick

Beacon will not die.  It will serve at the core business of Facebook's business model for years to come.

I'd go beyond what Bob just wrote in that what blew people away was their user experience.  Most people understand that much of what they do online - what sites they visit and what they buy - are being monitored in some way for later marketing purposes.  But what people were taken aback and then livid about was that Facebook was now part of customer-retailer relationship without their approval, that their private purchases were then being made public, and that the burden was on them to stop all of this on a case-by-case basis.

If Facebook had meant Beacon to be an experiment, it would have used carefully coordinated focus groups.  They decided to go full force on it anyway.  That's because they see it as their future.  And they got too cocky.

Ironically, they should have used focus groups anyway.  A controlled setting in which they can observe user interaction.  Perhaps out of arrogance and believing in their own hype, they forged ahead anyway, offending their users and irritating their partners.  

From now on, advocacy groups and business partners will play a greater role in Facebook's future decision making process.  It didn't have to that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick</p>
<p>Beacon will not die.  It will serve at the core business of Facebook&#8217;s business model for years to come.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d go beyond what Bob just wrote in that what blew people away was their user experience.  Most people understand that much of what they do online - what sites they visit and what they buy - are being monitored in some way for later marketing purposes.  But what people were taken aback and then livid about was that Facebook was now part of customer-retailer relationship without their approval, that their private purchases were then being made public, and that the burden was on them to stop all of this on a case-by-case basis.</p>
<p>If Facebook had meant Beacon to be an experiment, it would have used carefully coordinated focus groups.  They decided to go full force on it anyway.  That&#8217;s because they see it as their future.  And they got too cocky.</p>
<p>Ironically, they should have used focus groups anyway.  A controlled setting in which they can observe user interaction.  Perhaps out of arrogance and believing in their own hype, they forged ahead anyway, offending their users and irritating their partners.  </p>
<p>From now on, advocacy groups and business partners will play a greater role in Facebook&#8217;s future decision making process.  It didn&#8217;t have to that way.</p>
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