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	<title>Comments on: Should Facebook Join OpenSocial?</title>
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		<title>By: bernie</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/11/should-facebook-join-opensocial/#comment-4046</link>
		<dc:creator>bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Facebook has a social graph but so does every site with an 'add to friends' feature.</description>
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		<title>By: bernie</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/11/should-facebook-join-opensocial/#comment-13787</link>
		<dc:creator>bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Facebook has a social graph but so does every site with an 'add to friends' feature.</description>
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		<title>By: Joey Tyson</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/11/should-facebook-join-opensocial/#comment-4024</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 02:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@7: Certainly Facebook has much to do if they'll last for the long term, but 51+ million users, 200,000 new users per day, over half of active users returning daily, etc., can hardly be called unproven.  Also, the FB platform has been out for nearly six months, with 7,000 applications currently available.

OpenSocial, on the other hand, has been out for one day, hardly any applications are currently available, only two host sites are live (one in a moderated beta), many security/privacy questions still linger, and pretty much only a few techies have started using any OpenSocial apps, most of them probably for development and testing.

As for an upper hand - like I always say, Facebook is all about the social graph.  Most of the 51+ million members on Facebook didn't join for the applications, and aren't likely to leave because another site has some application.  (Most OpenSocial apps will probably be on Facebook anyway.)  OpenSocial isn't the kind of grand open social network people have been talking about.

Furthermore, since the Facebook platform has a time advantage, there are far more apps readily available, developers are already working on newer and better ones, and Facebook has been able to refine the system extensively.  OpenSocial, on the other hand, is brand new and has less to show for than Facebook did at their platform launch.

OpenSocial might (I'm skeptical) change the Web like some have said, but it's not going to do so overnight.  Anything technology with the word "social" in it relies on a community of users - a social graph.  And there, Facebook is a formidable opponent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@7: Certainly Facebook has much to do if they&#8217;ll last for the long term, but 51+ million users, 200,000 new users per day, over half of active users returning daily, etc., can hardly be called unproven.  Also, the FB platform has been out for nearly six months, with 7,000 applications currently available.</p>
<p>OpenSocial, on the other hand, has been out for one day, hardly any applications are currently available, only two host sites are live (one in a moderated beta), many security/privacy questions still linger, and pretty much only a few techies have started using any OpenSocial apps, most of them probably for development and testing.</p>
<p>As for an upper hand - like I always say, Facebook is all about the social graph.  Most of the 51+ million members on Facebook didn&#8217;t join for the applications, and aren&#8217;t likely to leave because another site has some application.  (Most OpenSocial apps will probably be on Facebook anyway.)  OpenSocial isn&#8217;t the kind of grand open social network people have been talking about.</p>
<p>Furthermore, since the Facebook platform has a time advantage, there are far more apps readily available, developers are already working on newer and better ones, and Facebook has been able to refine the system extensively.  OpenSocial, on the other hand, is brand new and has less to show for than Facebook did at their platform launch.</p>
<p>OpenSocial might (I&#8217;m skeptical) change the Web like some have said, but it&#8217;s not going to do so overnight.  Anything technology with the word &#8220;social&#8221; in it relies on a community of users - a social graph.  And there, Facebook is a formidable opponent.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Tyson</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/11/should-facebook-join-opensocial/#comment-13786</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 02:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@7: Certainly Facebook has much to do if they'll last for the long term, but 51+ million users, 200,000 new users per day, over half of active users returning daily, etc., can hardly be called unproven.  Also, the FB platform has been out for nearly six months, with 7,000 applications currently available.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;OpenSocial, on the other hand, has been out for one day, hardly any applications are currently available, only two host sites are live (one in a moderated beta), many security/privacy questions still linger, and pretty much only a few techies have started using any OpenSocial apps, most of them probably for development and testing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for an upper hand - like I always say, Facebook is all about the social graph.  Most of the 51+ million members on Facebook didn't join for the applications, and aren't likely to leave because another site has some application.  (Most OpenSocial apps will probably be on Facebook anyway.)  OpenSocial isn't the kind of grand open social network people have been talking about.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Furthermore, since the Facebook platform has a time advantage, there are far more apps readily available, developers are already working on newer and better ones, and Facebook has been able to refine the system extensively.  OpenSocial, on the other hand, is brand new and has less to show for than Facebook did at their platform launch.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;OpenSocial might (I'm skeptical) change the Web like some have said, but it's not going to do so overnight.  Anything technology with the word "social" in it relies on a community of users - a social graph.  And there, Facebook is a formidable opponent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@7: Certainly Facebook has much to do if they&#8217;ll last for the long term, but 51+ million users, 200,000 new users per day, over half of active users returning daily, etc., can hardly be called unproven.  Also, the FB platform has been out for nearly six months, with 7,000 applications currently available.</p>
<p>OpenSocial, on the other hand, has been out for one day, hardly any applications are currently available, only two host sites are live (one in a moderated beta), many security/privacy questions still linger, and pretty much only a few techies have started using any OpenSocial apps, most of them probably for development and testing.</p>
<p>As for an upper hand - like I always say, Facebook is all about the social graph.  Most of the 51+ million members on Facebook didn&#8217;t join for the applications, and aren&#8217;t likely to leave because another site has some application.  (Most OpenSocial apps will probably be on Facebook anyway.)  OpenSocial isn&#8217;t the kind of grand open social network people have been talking about.</p>
<p>Furthermore, since the Facebook platform has a time advantage, there are far more apps readily available, developers are already working on newer and better ones, and Facebook has been able to refine the system extensively.  OpenSocial, on the other hand, is brand new and has less to show for than Facebook did at their platform launch.</p>
<p>OpenSocial might (I&#8217;m skeptical) change the Web like some have said, but it&#8217;s not going to do so overnight.  Anything technology with the word &#8220;social&#8221; in it relies on a community of users - a social graph.  And there, Facebook is a formidable opponent.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Bovis</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/11/should-facebook-join-opensocial/#comment-4010</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Bovis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it simply comes down to these facts.

1. End users couldn't give a shit about how the applications make their way onto a social network they just care that they're there.

2. People will not stop writing the apps that people want on Facebook just because OS is available elsewhere. If they do it leaves a massive market open for other developers who will fill the gap!

3. Open Social purely allows other networks to easily build a thriving developer community.

If Facebook feel the desire to have OS apps on their platform in the future they will have the best of both worlds by havingthe much more powerful F8 platform AND support for all apps made on the OS platform.

I would in fact say that Facebook is the real winner in this situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it simply comes down to these facts.</p>
<p>1. End users couldn&#8217;t give a shit about how the applications make their way onto a social network they just care that they&#8217;re there.</p>
<p>2. People will not stop writing the apps that people want on Facebook just because OS is available elsewhere. If they do it leaves a massive market open for other developers who will fill the gap!</p>
<p>3. Open Social purely allows other networks to easily build a thriving developer community.</p>
<p>If Facebook feel the desire to have OS apps on their platform in the future they will have the best of both worlds by havingthe much more powerful F8 platform AND support for all apps made on the OS platform.</p>
<p>I would in fact say that Facebook is the real winner in this situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Bovis</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/11/should-facebook-join-opensocial/#comment-13785</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Bovis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it simply comes down to these facts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. End users couldn't give a shit about how the applications make their way onto a social network they just care that they're there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. People will not stop writing the apps that people want on Facebook just because OS is available elsewhere. If they do it leaves a massive market open for other developers who will fill the gap!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3. Open Social purely allows other networks to easily build a thriving developer community.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If Facebook feel the desire to have OS apps on their platform in the future they will have the best of both worlds by havingthe much more powerful F8 platform AND support for all apps made on the OS platform.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would in fact say that Facebook is the real winner in this situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it simply comes down to these facts.</p>
<p>1. End users couldn&#8217;t give a shit about how the applications make their way onto a social network they just care that they&#8217;re there.</p>
<p>2. People will not stop writing the apps that people want on Facebook just because OS is available elsewhere. If they do it leaves a massive market open for other developers who will fill the gap!</p>
<p>3. Open Social purely allows other networks to easily build a thriving developer community.</p>
<p>If Facebook feel the desire to have OS apps on their platform in the future they will have the best of both worlds by havingthe much more powerful F8 platform AND support for all apps made on the OS platform.</p>
<p>I would in fact say that Facebook is the real winner in this situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Too</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/11/should-facebook-join-opensocial/#comment-4008</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Despite what the blogosphere may lead people to think, OpenSocial is still a very unproven project."  "Until OpenSocial actually lives up to its hype, Facebook still has the upper hand"

1. i would say FB is still an unproven project ($15b valuation w/ $75m in revenue) 2. what upper hand does FB have?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Despite what the blogosphere may lead people to think, OpenSocial is still a very unproven project.&#8221;  &#8220;Until OpenSocial actually lives up to its hype, Facebook still has the upper hand&#8221;</p>
<p>1. i would say FB is still an unproven project ($15b valuation w/ $75m in revenue) 2. what upper hand does FB have?</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Too</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/11/should-facebook-join-opensocial/#comment-13784</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Despite what the blogosphere may lead people to think, OpenSocial is still a very unproven project."  "Until OpenSocial actually lives up to its hype, Facebook still has the upper hand"&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. i would say FB is still an unproven project ($15b valuation w/ $75m in revenue) 2. what upper hand does FB have?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Despite what the blogosphere may lead people to think, OpenSocial is still a very unproven project.&#8221;  &#8220;Until OpenSocial actually lives up to its hype, Facebook still has the upper hand&#8221;</p>
<p>1. i would say FB is still an unproven project ($15b valuation w/ $75m in revenue) 2. what upper hand does FB have?</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Tyson</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/11/should-facebook-join-opensocial/#comment-4004</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, one interesting thing I've noticed about OpenSocial from the docs - people have been advocating an "open social network" where you host your primary identity, but from what I understand, OpenSocial means Google hosts your primary identity.  I think OpenSocial is more about Google creating their own social network than people might think.  (Course I still think "OpenWidget" is more accurate at this point.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, one interesting thing I&#8217;ve noticed about OpenSocial from the docs - people have been advocating an &#8220;open social network&#8221; where you host your primary identity, but from what I understand, OpenSocial means Google hosts your primary identity.  I think OpenSocial is more about Google creating their own social network than people might think.  (Course I still think &#8220;OpenWidget&#8221; is more accurate at this point.)</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Tyson</title>
		<link>http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/11/should-facebook-join-opensocial/#comment-13783</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, one interesting thing I've noticed about OpenSocial from the docs - people have been advocating an "open social network" where you host your primary identity, but from what I understand, OpenSocial means Google hosts your primary identity.  I think OpenSocial is more about Google creating their own social network than people might think.  (Course I still think "OpenWidget" is more accurate at this point.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, one interesting thing I&#8217;ve noticed about OpenSocial from the docs - people have been advocating an &#8220;open social network&#8221; where you host your primary identity, but from what I understand, OpenSocial means Google hosts your primary identity.  I think OpenSocial is more about Google creating their own social network than people might think.  (Course I still think &#8220;OpenWidget&#8221; is more accurate at this point.)</p>
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